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Valinor
Jan 6 2015, 12:34am
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interesting (snippet from) not published letter about Tom B
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There's an excerpt from a previously unpublished (well, as far as I can tell it is still "unpublished") letter from Tolkien discussing Tom Bombadil. Scroll through this blog post at the Hammond and Scull blog to read it. Thought some might be interested. a.s.
"an seileachan" Through any dark time, I always remember Frodo's claim on the side of Mt. Doom that he "can manage it" because he must. Sometimes, I have to manage it, too, as do we all. We manage because we must.
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Jan 6 2015, 1:37am
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Whoa, shades of Charles Darwin
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This is a new angle, to me:
"B. does not want to make, alter, devise, or control anything: just to observe and take joy in the contemplating the things that are not himself. The spirit of the [deleted: world> this earth] made aware of itself. He is more like science (utterly free from technological blemish) and history than art. He represents the complete fearlessness of that spirit when we can catch a little of it." - JRRT, letter to Nevill Coghill, 8/21/54 (copyright Tolkien Estate). I shudder to think that this introduction of the word "science" in the context of Tom's relationship to nature may be used to support the unsound but popularly circulated hypothesis that Tom and Goldberry are the Valar Aule the Smith and Yavanna the Gardener. Oh, boy. Well, this is grist for my discussion of the Tom B. chapter later this month. Thanks, a.s.!
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Jan 6 2015, 3:47am
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This is a new angle, to me: "B. does not want to make, alter, devise, or control anything: just to observe and take joy in the contemplating the things that are not himself. The spirit of the [deleted: world > this earth] made aware of itself. He is more like science (utterly free from technological blemish) and history than art. He represents the complete fearlessness of that spirit when we can catch a little of it." - JRRT, letter to Nevill Coghill, 8/21/54 (copyright Tolkien Estate). I shudder to think that this introduction of the word "science" in the context of Tom's relationship to nature may be used to support the unsound but popularly circulated hypothesis that Tom and Goldberry are the Valar Aule the Smith and Yavanna the Gardener. Oh, boy. Well, this is grist for my discussion of the Tom B. chapter later this month. Thanks, a.s.! I see a thematic similarity to his words in #153: (September 1954) "I do not mean him to be an allegory - or I should not have given him so particular, individual , and ridiculous a name - but 'allegory' is the only mode of exhibiting certain functions: he is then an 'allegory' or exemplar, a particular embodying of pure, (real) natural science: the spirit that desires knowledge of other things, their history and their nature, because they are 'other' and wholly independent of the enquiring mind, a spirit coeval with the rational mind, and entirely unconcerned with doing anything with the knowledge: Zoology and Botany not Cattle-breeding or Agriculture."
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Valinor
Jan 6 2015, 3:39pm
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was nagging at me, I knew we'd seen it before in the context of Tom B, but didn't go looking. Good thinking! So as I see it, the newly found letter expands a bit on what Tolkien was getting at when he referred to Tom as an "embodiment of pure science", and I found that part helpful. a.s.
"an seileachan" Through any dark time, I always remember Frodo's claim on the side of Mt. Doom that he "can manage it" because he must. Sometimes, I have to manage it, too, as do we all. We manage because we must.
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Valinor
Jan 6 2015, 4:48pm
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Dang tablet. Couldn't be the user of said tablet, I'm sure. a.s.
"an seileachan" Through any dark time, I always remember Frodo's claim on the side of Mt. Doom that he "can manage it" because he must. Sometimes, I have to manage it, too, as do we all. We manage because we must.
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Brethil
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Jan 6 2015, 10:29pm
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Thanks for the posting. Going to be a fantastic discussion once we get to Tom (as they all have been so far). I love a good enigma.
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Jan 6 2015, 10:30pm
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for the link to the blog post. A site to get lost in, truly.
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KingTurgon
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Jan 7 2015, 11:12pm
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what you posted lends more credence to my theory that Tom is the Flame Imperishable in a physical form.
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Jan 8 2015, 1:21am
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Thanks, Voronwe! I thought it was just me not being able to get the link working.
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Jan 8 2015, 1:39am
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It is good to have correct link in the first post, so that people can easily access the blog post. Wayne and Christina's blog is one of several Tolkien-related blogs that are well worth checking regularly.
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.' The Hall of Fire
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Valinor
Jan 8 2015, 1:07pm
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May the hair on your toes ever grow long and glossy. a.s.
"an seileachan" Through any dark time, I always remember Frodo's claim on the side of Mt. Doom that he "can manage it" because he must. Sometimes, I have to manage it, too, as do we all. We manage because we must.
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Jan 13 2015, 9:04pm
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there'[s a worthy blog (so many internets, so little time) (good name there: Voronwe, one of my favs from outside LOTR)
"Judge me by my size, would you?" Max the Hobbit Husky.
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