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Girdle of Melian
Lorien
Dec 29 2014, 11:06am
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How did Elrond, Saruman and Saruman sneak in Dol Guldur without Sauron Noticing?
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Is it possible they all used a spell of concealment like what Sauron did?
However, the orc immediately noticed Galadriel, and Sauron was clearly aware that Saruman and Elrond were trailing Galadriel. They must have planned for Galadriel to draw Sauron and the Nazgul out?
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Dec 29 2014, 11:50am
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By the devices of Saruman, perhaps?
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But surely you mean Sauron appeared to be unaware of Saruman and Elrond?
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Dec 29 2014, 12:42pm
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it was a trap all along so he let them enter
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The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true
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micha84
Rivendell
Dec 29 2014, 1:56pm
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Tolkien never detailled these events, and unfortunately what the movie writers "filled" or added is in almost all cases burdened with plot hole problems.
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Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea
Dec 29 2014, 2:08pm
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Sauron knew they were coming and had entered. He wanted them there.
All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you, Gandalf the Grey
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Darkstone
Immortal
Dec 29 2014, 2:08pm
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...Frodo, Sam, Gollum, and the ring were able to sneak into Mordor without him noticing.
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"We were somewhere around Cerin Amroth, in the heart of Elvendom, when the miruvor began to take hold."
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Dec 29 2014, 2:17pm
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What an easy answer to everything...!
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But it might be too easy, and you might be seeing plot holes where there are none, or not so many as you imagine.
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Dec 29 2014, 2:25pm
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In this case too, Sauron is busy with all his plans elsewhere, and sending his Dol Guldur army out...
But he is aware at least that Gandalf is there, as they fought together, and he knows he has been recognized for who he is. How could he not guess that the other members of the White Council will come to the rescue, or even to attack him???
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Dec 29 2014, 3:29pm
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It simply happens off screen.
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Felagund
Rohan
Dec 29 2014, 10:25pm
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The pyrotechnics of the confrontation was what seemed to matter most to the director. How any of the protagonists got there is secondary.
A slightly more focused observation: Radgast and Gandalf were both spotted entering Dol Guldur in AUJ and DOS. I would guess in the movieverse that we're meant to accept that Sauron let the remainder of the White Council wander in, as part of a trap. There's even a vague resemblance to Tolkien's text: Sauron knew the White Council were coming for him, and prepped his escape beforehand.
Welcome to the Mordorfone network, where we put the 'hai' back into Uruk
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Girdle of Melian
Lorien
Dec 29 2014, 11:12pm
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I agree with the assumption that Sauron knew they were coming...
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I just wished he paid more attention to stuff like this, explaining it better, than focusing on OTT scenes and special effects that made no sense even if many things in the movies require a good suspension of disbelief.
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micha84
Rivendell
Dec 30 2014, 11:06am
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It's what Sauron says to Galadriel: that she is alone. Don't tell me he's aware that Galadriel comes into Dol Guldur, but he won't notice Saruman and Elrond, who bears another of the Three? They wanted her dramatic "I am not alone" and to get it they accepted that little plot hole of Sauron noticing only Galadriel.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Dec 30 2014, 11:16am
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Galadriel is walking openly through the middle of DG
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Carrying Gandalf. You mean to say that it is a plot hole that he could see her, but not other two, if they are concealing themselves?
That seems to only allow the options that Sauron sees everything or sees nothing!
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