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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien
Dec 21 2014, 8:06pm
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The 'Witch King' and his morning star or 'Azog' and his morning star..
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Which battle was more epic? I thought Azog violently flailing his morning star at Thorin was scarier. I know I'm probably not supposed to think that. But it was brutally intense. I've seen the movie three times now and I always find my heart is pounding out of my chest. The Witch King's attack on Eowyn, although good, just didn't have the same effect on me.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Dec 21 2014, 8:12pm
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In a sense, Azog's was more metaphorical.
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I liked the suggestion that Thorin and Azog's mutual hatred was destroyed the ground beneath their own feet. Rather a nice sense of inevitability and a touch of Tragedy.
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Bladerunner
Gondor
Dec 21 2014, 8:55pm
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...the Eowyn/Witchking battle was more original, and was short and efficient. (Although Eowyn seemed to slice completely through the neck of the Nazgul too easily).
The Thorin/Azog fight just dragged on for too long.
I kept wondering how many times that block was going to hit the ice without breaking it.
Yet both Azog and Thorin were able to slice through the ice with their blades with relative ease, and Azog was able to not only burst through the same ice sheet, but leap into the air from underwater without any leverage.
This seemed very arbitrary and inconsistent...
When things need to be unbreakable, they are conveniently difficult to break, but when they need to fall apart, they conveniently fall apart.
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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien
Dec 21 2014, 9:06pm
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The ice looked to be about 6 inches thick or so. Thick ice is actually incredibly strong. In terms of Azog breaking back up through from underneath, I can only assume this section of the lake was quite shallow and he was able to push up off the lake bed. Otherwise, yes, what he did was absolutely impossible. And I don't recall Azog's sword penetrating the ice. However, Thorin's sword is Orcrist, forged by Gondolin elves, and presumable extremely sharp. Just look how he cuts through orc necks like they are butter ;)
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Bladerunner
Gondor
Dec 21 2014, 9:25pm
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It was when Azog stabs Thorin's foot through the ice...
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I just think of how difficult it is to chop ice with an icepick or pickaxe...
.... And I don't recall Azog's sword penetrating the ice. ...)
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Faramir5
Bree
Dec 21 2014, 9:45pm
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The Witch-King is probably the freakiest villain either of the trilogies!...especially with that armor in the Battle of Pelennor Fields. He looks freakier, his voice is scarier, his chain-mace is WAYYYY scarier!!
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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien
Dec 21 2014, 9:51pm
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Brain fart moment. Yeah, Azog must be insanely strong to stab upward through the ice and through Thorin's foot.
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Spriggan
Tol Eressea
Dec 21 2014, 10:02pm
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If Azog is a maiar then it would be easy peasy.
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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien
Dec 21 2014, 10:06pm
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I just think he's supposed to be the Anderson Silva of the orcs or something...
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DjU
Lorien
Dec 21 2014, 10:33pm
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Don't forget that ultimately the area where Azog stabs Thorin though the ice and then jumps out is a little further downstream and towards the edge of the waterfall from the area where Azog was smashing the Ice.
Thorin watches Azog float under the ice towards the Waterfall. It is entirely conceivable that this area of Ice is a little bit more thin and the floor of the river higher as it approaches the waterfall. It is certainly shown to be a little bit more crystal clear - to be able to see Azog through it.
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ecthelionsbeard
Lorien
Dec 21 2014, 10:53pm
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Thats an interesting thought!!
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True, anywhere the water underneath has more current, the ice above will be thinner. Absolute fact!
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Meneldor
Valinor
Dec 22 2014, 1:28am
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I grew up in Canada next to a big river, and I learned at a young age that you need to be careful when you walk out on it. There are often areas that are solid enough to drive on and right next to them are thin patches where you wouldn't want to walk.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters, these see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep. -Psalm 107
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