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tdklimek
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Dec 21 2014, 10:16pm
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How is this debate? MARRY not BURY
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She clearly said she wanted to marry him. sorry tauriel haters.
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Roheryn
Tol Eressea
Dec 21 2014, 10:44pm
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Maybe it was "They want to marry him!"
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Which, upon proper reflection, might well explain her considerable distress.
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irasel
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Dec 21 2014, 10:48pm
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The drawbacks of being a hot dwarf ;) //
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irasel
The Shire
Dec 21 2014, 10:51pm
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You're right, thanks for your reply. //
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Aranarth
The Shire
Dec 21 2014, 11:25pm
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Yea. through that whole scene all I could think of was "Poor Mom."
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BlackFox
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Dec 21 2014, 11:31pm
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And she didn't just lose her sons
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She also lost her brother. And her father. And her grandfather. 
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marillaraina
Rohan
Dec 21 2014, 11:49pm
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Could've sworn I heard her say that... Hm, makes more sense in the context, since "They" sounds a bit vague in the TE, and I don't think the dwarves would come up and just leave his body there with Tauriel. A dwarf of two would've most likely stayed behind to mourn him.
I just saw it again and she definitely says "they" want to bury him. I can clearly hear the "th" sound.
Or maybe she says "They'll want to bury him" and it isn't the "th" that's hard to hear, but the "'ll" :). Her comment seems meant as a semi-question, something she knows but feels the need for confirmation because it's both such a foreign concept to her and she can't imagine it happening to him. As Digific says I or they doesn't really change the meaning of the scene - it's about the pain she feels at his loss.
It also doesn't need the dwarves to come along and leave her with Kili's body - she's stating/asking what they will want to do with him once his death is discovered.
I wonder how that went down. Dwalin and Bilbo would have told everyone "Fili's dead", they could see Thorin was dead, was there a brief period where they had some hope that perhaps Kili was still alive but possibly injured? He ended up near a cliff edge they wouldn't have easily spotted them.. I wonder if Legolas told them? He was standing there watching over Tauriel until his father came and then he was going to leave but I'd imagine he could have come across the members of the company on his way out while they would still be looking and broken the news.
Lee Pace was really great in this scene - as cold as Thranduil'd been, he really portrayed he was so full of sympathy here.
And poor Dis, she's a truly tragic figure. We know nothing about her but her name and that she lost her entire family to the same evil - her grandfather, her father, her brothers and her sons.
(This post was edited by marillaraina on Dec 21 2014, 11:58pm)
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lionoferebor
Rohan
Dec 22 2014, 12:52am
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What do elves do with their dead?
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I know elves are immortal and at the end of their time in Middle Earth take a ship into the West. However, despite their immortality, they can be slain in battle. Does anyone know what elves do with those who are slain in battle? Does Tolkien ever say?
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Miss-Merriweather
Bree
Dec 22 2014, 1:31am
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Thanks for nothing, Thranduil...
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... as cold as Thranduil'd been, he really portrayed he was so full of sympathy here. And just for a moment let's imagine what Tauriel could have achieved in battle if Thranduil hadn't so unwisely chosen to smash her bow shortly before that.
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marillaraina
Rohan
Dec 22 2014, 2:26am
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... as cold as Thranduil'd been, he really portrayed he was so full of sympathy here. And just for a moment let's imagine what Tauriel could have achieved in battle if Thranduil hadn't so unwisely chosen to smash her bow shortly before that.
Truly. But then again maybe she should have grabbed another bow, surely there must have been one lying around before they got out of the encampment. :)
But that's a good point, she'd probably have been more effective if she'd have her bow as well as her sword.
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Miss-Merriweather
Bree
Dec 22 2014, 7:31am
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But that was the moment when....
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Truly. But then again maybe she should have grabbed another bow, surely there must have been one lying around before they got out of the encampment. :)
But that's a good point, she'd probably have been more effective if she'd have her bow as well as her sword. ... when Tauriel got "fired" by Thranduil.
None of the Elves would have given or granted her any kind of weapon or support after that...
(Except, of course, blue-eyed Leggy. Yay.)
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DisDwarfWoman
Rivendell
Dec 23 2014, 7:10pm
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Maybe they'll mention Dis at some point in the EE. Things were too rushed at the end of the TE for it to fit in, but Tauriel gives Kili back the stone, so maybe something will come up about it in the EE.
Definitely feel bad for her though, she just lost all of her remaining family at once. 
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Nayavenne
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Jan 2 2015, 9:28pm
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After watching it a third time...
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After watching it a third time I think I am quite certain that she said, 'I want to bury him'. In my opinion she refers to her conversation with Legolas at Gundabad. He tell sher that his mother was not buried and therefore there is no place that he can go to mourne her (that is solely my interpretation).
When Tauriel says that sentence, she addresses Thranduil, Legolas' father, who apparently did not bury his wife (or maybe he could not). So she tells him that she wants to bury him, to find closure and to have a place for mourning.
Not sure how others see that, but for me that would be a good explanation.
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BlackFox
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Jan 2 2015, 9:40pm
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It's a lovely interpretation, but...
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... that's not what she says. "They want to bury him" is correct.
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Nayavenne
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Jan 2 2015, 9:47pm
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German translation possibly wrong
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That is interesting, then in that case the German translation is wrong, because she clearly says, 'ich' (I) not 'Sie' (they). I will watch it again and see whether they have really messed up the german translation.
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BlackFox
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Jan 2 2015, 9:51pm
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Though I think I remember another one of our German members mentioning the same thing. I can assure you that she says "they" (I've seen the film four times with the original English audio + subtitles which also read "they").
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