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StarGodziller
Bree
Dec 19 2014, 5:50am
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Is Mikael Persbrandt's recent drug bust (spoilers)...
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Perhaps the reason why Beorn has such little screen time? Maybe he was unavailable for post production ADR or something because of his conviction.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 5:55am
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...that we've heard from interviews that there will be much more Beorn in the Extended Cut, I don't think so. For some reason, PJ was just consumed with getting this film as short and snappy as possible (if its brevity was meant to win over critics, it failed).
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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ecthelionsbeard
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Dec 19 2014, 5:59am
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It appears the most prominent issue critics and fans have with the movie is the rushed ending and unresolved character threads! Poor PJ. He just can't win.
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Aragorn the Elfstone
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 6:11am
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... ending (which I have to say was probably the most enjoyable part of the movie for me, despite the rush to the finish) - the whole thing just felt a bit thin. Chunks of lines and shots from the trailer missing, plot threads sped through, etc. The fact that the film still felt cohesive is probably a miracle, and I still very much enjoyed it (at least on my second viewing - in 2D). But, as with the previous two films, I have this feeling that I won't be getting the "real" film until next year. It's unfortunate, because I never felt that way about the LotR Theatrical Cuts. Even when you could tell that things had been held over for the EE, the films still felt wholly satisfying on their own.
"The danger with any movie that does as well as this one does is that the amount of money it's making and the number of awards that it's got becomes almost more important than the movie itself in people's minds. I look at that as, in a sense, being very much like the Ring, and its effect on people. You know, you can kind of forget what we were doing, if you get too wrapped up in that."
- Viggo Mortensen
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 7:25am
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RUSHED and there was no depth to Radagast and Beorn arriving at the very end. And where was the Lord of the Eagles?? PJ said we would see the Lord of the Eagles in this film?? PJ also said the orcs would have something "special" to counter the eagles and that never happened either…I'm beginning to think PJ has a serious case of peer pressure over what the critics think but what he doesn't understand is that they will criticize his films no matter how short or how long they are! PJ's crush on Legolas sure materialized in this film too, he was almost the main character in the film.
The flames of war are upon you..
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 7:34am
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Recently PJ said there will be around 10 minutes of Beorn in the EE but whether this is human Beorn or bear Beorn he did not say.
The flames of war are upon you..
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Saneliur
Bree
Dec 19 2014, 8:56am
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Been looking without any luck..
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Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 9:00am
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The critics? They still say overlong!
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I'm struggling to find the issues you mention in critics' reviews at all, let alone as their main concern. Reading through the negative ones now, instead the consistent perception seems to be that the film is still too long and too bloated - especially the battle itself.
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adt100
Rohan
Dec 19 2014, 10:04am
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He was never going to win with the critics this time around I feel!
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Long or short. It matters not though, the films are made, those that enjoy them will continue to do so and vice versa. The EE should be a treat for the fans.
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SafeUnderHill
Rohan
Dec 19 2014, 1:04pm
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It appears the most prominent issue critics and fans have with the movie is the rushed ending and unresolved character threads! Poor PJ. He just can't win.
None of the critics I've seen say that. They just seem complain that it's got too much padding. This all stems from their prejudice against the fact it comes from one book, they can't seem to accept that the filmmakers have added story threads to expand it.
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Hanzkaz
Rohan
Dec 19 2014, 3:19pm
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The critics may still be complaining -
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- but it's nothing compared to what would have happened if PJ had cut less out (some critics actually praised his 'restraint').
Also what people here refer to as 'depth' in a movie is often called 'the boring bits' by others.
PJ did the best he could, considering the circumstances. He probably wasn't happy about but he tried to give mainstream audiences a movie that they could enjoy without to sit through too many 'unnecessary' scenes.
Also he may have deliberately left some 'good bits' for the EE.
From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 19 2014, 5:48pm
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Peter Jackson On The Extended Edition Of ‘The Hobbit: The Battle Of The Five Armies’
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“The extended cut, which will be about 30 minutes longer,” Jackson said. “[And] will have additional Beorn scenes and we meet the Lord of the Eagles."
The flames of war are upon you..
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KingTurgon
Rohan
Dec 20 2014, 5:12am
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This movie coukd have used an extra hour imo
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MouthofSauron
Tol Eressea
Dec 20 2014, 5:35am
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well its still more than we got for AUJ and DOS
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The flames of war are upon you..
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BalrogTrainer
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Dec 20 2014, 2:32pm
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... but think that making the theatrical cuts of these latter 2 films shorter was more or less mandated on PJ by Warners as sort of a knee-jerk reaction to all the criticisms of AUJ's runtime. 
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