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MorgolKing
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Dec 18 2014, 1:36pm
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PJ Leaves Room for more MIddle Earth Movies
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He says he might be inclined to do more in two or three years. This is the clearest indication to date that more Middle Earth movies could be made and that PJ would be interested in making them.
I'm pretty surprised; excited to see if PJ makes some more large battles and I hope there will be less OTT silliness -- maybe we lesser known characters PJ will rein it in.
http://screenrant.com/...iddle-earth-tolkien/
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 1:45pm
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Uh-oh.... Hear, hear, all folks!!!
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LOL... That's pretty good news!!! Thank you for that...
Well, let's see how things unfold... 
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Azaghâl
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Dec 18 2014, 1:46pm
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I think it's time for someone else.
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If there is ever going to be another ME movie I hope someone else will give it a try.
To me, the Hobbit movies are great, but they are not fantastic. I think PJ needs to let someone else try.
Only thing I would fear being lost is the amount of care put into the production. Maybe having PJ as producer as it was always intended for the Hobbit movies.
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*
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AshNazg
Gondor
Dec 18 2014, 2:20pm
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The way I see it, The Hobbit is primarily a kids movie
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Lord of the Rings is more of a mature teen movie
I'd love to see The Silmarillion in a few years go for a real adult audience. Not meaning lots of violence and nudity or anything (like Game of Thrones) but just have themes and concepts, and be handled in a way that appeals more to an adult audience. - More subtle and mature.
That way people can really grow older with the series and appreciate them at different stages in their life 
I have in my head, this concept of the first episode starting with a bookend where an old Elessar and Arwen are teaching Eldarion about the history of Middle-earth.
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 2:27pm
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That could be quite interesting indeed...//
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'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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macfalk
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Dec 18 2014, 2:29pm
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You sound like Christopher Tolkien....
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"Lord of the Rings is more of a mature teen movie"
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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mae govannen
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Dec 18 2014, 2:34pm
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Do you remember when (year) and on which occasion?
I had never heard of that before...
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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macfalk
Valinor
Dec 18 2014, 2:36pm
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Yes, I was offended by Christopher Tolkien's rant a few years ago. He said that the movies only appealed to 15-25 year olds (could not be more inaccurate) and the same time claiming that he had not seen the movies. Oh, the irony.
Source: http://www.theonering.net/...e-lord-of-the-rings/
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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AshNazg
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Dec 18 2014, 2:38pm
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Unlike CT, I'm not implying that it can't be enjoyed by anyone else
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But that the general tone appeals strongest to... I'd say 15 to 25 maybe 30 year olds. (I realise it has something for everyone, though). I'd like The Sil to really try and make fantasy attractive to a very mature and 'serious' audience, that is to say those that take films and life very seriously and who might otherwise turn their nose up at a fantasy film or series.
I'd like to see them attempt something intelligent, philosophical, cultured and political with a real message (which is perfectly achievable with the source material). - Again, I know TH and LotR have this to some degree but I'd like them to turn it up a notch so that the series effectively matures as it goes on. - providing the Sil is watched after LotR.
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mae govannen
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 3:06pm
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PLEASE include the 'Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth'
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that CT has relegated into his own HOME volume, 'Morgoth's Ring', instead of making it the first and main Appendix to 'The Sil' as his father wanted. If that had been done as asked, the whole perspective on whatever else would be included in 'The Sil' would have been much more luminous and hopeful than it is now, in the present edition.
It would seem that CT has allowed his own preferences to prevail over the written wish of his father for that unfinished but so important first work.
'Is everything sad going to come untrue?'
(Sam, 'The Field of Cormallen', in 'The Return of the King'.)
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Hanzkaz
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Dec 18 2014, 3:06pm
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Yes, please. However, we're going to need some really good writers.
The nature of the source material for the current Middle-Earth movies, particularly for the Hobbit, was both a strength and a weakness (Think Bilbo, and then think thirteen mostly interchangeable Dwarves). It inspired the movie-makers, and yet at the same time, placed restrictions on them.
With future movies in the franchise (I'm assuming Silmarillion is permanently off-limits), the problem will be different. There will be more freedom involved in the making of these movies, yet at the same time there is a greater risk of losing what makes them Middle-Earth movies.
I just hope that whoever makes the next Middle-Earth movies will be as dedicated and PJ and Co were. Hopefully, it will be PJ and Co.
And where they should go next? See below.
From the makers of 'The Lord of the Rings' comes the sequel to Peter Jackson's Hobbit Trilogy -
'The War in the North, Part I : The Sword in the Tomb'.
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Finrod
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Dec 18 2014, 3:09pm
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Action-adventure films for youths of 15–25 years
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"Lord of the Rings is more of a mature teen movie"
“Mature teen”? Well, kinda. I believe that what Christopher actually said was taken from the Le Monde interview he gave in 2012:
Invitée à rencontrer Peter Jackson, la famille Tolkien a préféré décliner. Pour quoi faire ? “Ils ont éviscéré le livre, en en faisant un film d’action pour les 15-25 ans,” regrette Christopher. “Et il paraît que Le Hobbit sera du même acabit.”
Le divorce est systématiquement réactivé par les films. “Tolkien est devenu un monstre, dévoré par sa popularité et absorbé par l'absurdité de l’époque,” observe tristement Christopher Tolkien. “Le fossé qui s’est creusé entre la beauté, le sérieux de l’œuvre, et ce qu'elle est devenue, tout cela me dépasse. Un tel degré de commercialisation réduit à rien la portée esthétique et philosophique de cette création. Il ne me reste qu’une seule solution : tourner la tête.”
Or as one English translator put it:
Invited to meet Peter Jackson, the Tolkien family preferred not to. Why? ”They eviscerated the book by making it an action movie for young people aged 15 to 25,” Christopher says regretfully. “And it seems that The Hobbit will be the same kind of film.”
This divorce has been systematically driven by the logic of Hollywood. “Tolkien has become a monster, devoured by his own popularity and absorbed into the absurdity of our time,” Christopher Tolkien observes sadly. “The chasm between the beauty and seriousness of the work, and what it has become, has overwhelmed me. The commercialization has reduced the aesthetic and philosophical impact of the creation to nothing. There is only one solution for me: to turn my head away.”
So if “mature teen” counts as adolescents between 15 and 25 years of age, then ok.
Jackson had his own pressures from the studios: he had to produce a gigabuck film — and that’s a per-film figure. The only way to reach those numbers today is by following the formula he did, for those are the people who make up the vast majority of paying movie-goers.
If he had not deliberately targeted youths hooked on loud and unsubtle action-adventure blockbusters, Jackson would never have secured the three-quarters of a billion dollars the studios provided to have these films made.
It is a pity that Brian Sibley never created for the BBC a radio drama out of The Hobbit as he did in 1981 with The Lord of the Rings, famously starring Ian Holm (an actual actor) as a wonderful Frodo. If you long for an adaptation that captures much more of the spirit of Tolkien than Jackson has managed (or been allowed to manage?), then the 13 hours of the radio adaptation stand forever head and shoulder above the 13 hours of the cinematic adaptation.
The match-up in lengths is rather interesting: it makes a direct comparison much more reasonable than if one of them were 3 hours and the other 15.
Admittedly, the radio version of the various fireworks in the tale are rather less impressive without the visuals to go with them. Sometimes Jackson’s visuals in his first set of films truly make your jaw drop or your eyes well up with tears of joy; Shore’s score helps out a lot there.
But much of the spirit of Tolkien’s opus magnum that was so lamentably but perhaps necessarily lost in the cinematic blockbuster version was sensitively retained in the radio version. If nothing else, we get so very much more of Ian Holm, and that is not a small thing.
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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macfalk
Valinor
Dec 18 2014, 3:24pm
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I know his exact quote from Le Monde
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"Lord of the Rings is more of a mature teen movie" was just me quoting AshNazg. It's not what CT said himself, but it's similiar... and even worse, if you ask me.
The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.
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swordwhale
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 3:47pm
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an example of someone who is highly invested in the family jewels and is guarding them, and his own interpretation of them. Tolkien himself was not find of the idea of "little plastic toys" and Disneyfication.
The reality of stories is you put them out there, and everyone participates in them (reading or making films, or doing art, or fanfic, or music) and everyone interprets them from their own experience and point of view.
I'm hoping for a tale or two from the Sil...
"Judge me by my size, would you?" Max the Hobbit Husky.
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HiddenSpring
Lorien
Dec 18 2014, 3:48pm
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You can do it.
Those New Zealand stories sound vastly more interesting.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Dec 18 2014, 7:38pm
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I dont like that part of the indusrty, for me thay have nothing to do to the fact that those ME movies are or will being made
The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true
Survivor to the battle for the fifth trailer
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Elskidor
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Dec 19 2014, 5:52am
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That shocks me, but it is good news. I hope he lays off the CGI and too crazy of stunts, but I'd still trust him over some unknown. I won't get my hopes up, but that is cool.
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