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Canon blasts

Dreamdeer
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Mar 15 2008, 9:24pm


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This won't do any good in a literary discussion that has nothing to do with suspension of disbelief, but for discussions that do suspend disbelief to immerse into the tale and treat it as though fact, the method I use when writing fanfic might apply. That is, I take anything in "The Hobbit", "The Lord of the Rings", or "The Silmarillion" as history, anything in "Lost Tales" as fragments of documentation that the scribes have not yet verified but with a fair likelihood of authenticity, and "Unfinished Tales" et al. as rumors, hearsay, folklore, speculation, fiction, out-and-out-lies, suppressed truths, etc. (Which them opens up fun possibilities, like showing Makar and Measse as sneaky fallen spirits trying to pass themselves off as Valar, rumors that orcs are actually descended of men rather than elves as elvish propaganda, etc.,but that's beside the point.)

My website http://www.dreamdeer.grailmedia.com offers fanfic, and message-boards regarding intentional community or faerie exploration.

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"Oo, those awful Orcs!"... diedye Send a private message to diedye Mar 8 2008, 11:56pm
    Tolkien crying all the way to the bank. Penthe Send a private message to Penthe Mar 9 2008, 12:11am
    ZZZZZZ Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 9 2008, 2:21am
        Boner! Doner! N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 9 2008, 4:16am
    There's no excuse Eledhwen Send a private message to Eledhwen Mar 9 2008, 2:48am
        On giving away the ending. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 9 2008, 4:21am
    Wilson wanted more sex in LotR. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 9 2008, 4:06am
    "An impotence of imagination seems to me to sap the whole story." weaver Send a private message to weaver Mar 9 2008, 3:24pm
    Dot and bar orcbane Mar 9 2008, 4:12pm
        Tolkien was a critic. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 9 2008, 7:03pm
            Yep, and he was critical of other critics. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 9 2008, 7:13pm
                Likewise some of his own criticism is now dismissed. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 9 2008, 7:46pm
                    He is still recognized as ground-breaking FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 9 2008, 10:18pm
                    By critics that shall also be dismissed orcbane Mar 9 2008, 10:27pm
                        Critics like Tom Shippey? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 9 2008, 10:42pm
                            Tolkien said to us in essence 'Get a life' orcbane Mar 9 2008, 11:53pm
                                Was he also saying that to himself? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 10 2008, 12:19am
                                    Sounds like the guy in the cartoon Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 11 2008, 7:38pm
                    "Tolkien's Mistakes" Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 9 2008, 10:57pm
                        Agreed. // N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 10 2008, 12:11am
        Literary Terms? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 10 2008, 12:21am
        The Point of Literary Criticism Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 10 2008, 3:01am
    How many million copies Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 10 2008, 1:30am
        James Branch Cabell was a respected fantasist. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 10 2008, 1:41am
            Gee, it's the whole gang: Neil Gaiman, Robert Heinlein, even Deems Taylor! squire Send a private message to squire Mar 10 2008, 1:57am
                well a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2008, 2:15am
                "The Thin Queen of Elfhame" N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 10 2008, 2:18am
                    Hah! squire Send a private message to squire Mar 10 2008, 3:30am
                        he read what he liked a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2008, 10:46am
                            Very interesting, thanks! Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 10 2008, 1:18pm
                                Sex and Classism in Middle Earth Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 10 2008, 5:02pm
                                    Not True Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 10 2008, 6:46pm
                                        Not me. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 10 2008, 7:29pm
                                            Not tonight N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 10 2008, 7:42pm
                                            That's not the issue, I don't think. Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 10 2008, 10:52pm
                                                sex is intended to be pleasurable a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2008, 11:14pm
                                                Tolkien's position. Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 11 2008, 12:21am
                                                    Tolkien didn't say that sex was bad. Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 11 2008, 6:34pm
                                                        Diddn't see this Post Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 11 2008, 8:08pm
                                                            It's a version thing Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 11 2008, 8:49pm
                                                                Good Point Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 11 2008, 9:11pm
                                                                    Not necessarily Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 11 2008, 10:56pm
                                                                        Not tonight; I have a headache squire Send a private message to squire Mar 12 2008, 3:27am
                                                                            Daeron Suitor, not Brother Then Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 14 2008, 8:13pm
                                                                                Neither is Morgoth's Ring Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 15 2008, 4:34am
                                                                                    No 'canon', Agreed, But.... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 15 2008, 2:50pm
                                                                                        Arrrgh! squire Send a private message to squire Mar 15 2008, 6:00pm
                                                                                            Honestly, I don't think that it is even possible Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 15 2008, 6:26pm
                                                                                            Good Point Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 15 2008, 6:49pm
                                                                                            Canon blasts Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 15 2008, 9:24pm
                                            Sorry Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 10 2008, 11:52pm
                                                Flaming Youth Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 11 2008, 1:06am
                                                    Roaring Twenties Was A Movie Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 11 2008, 1:31pm
                                                        I'm not sure where all of this is going... Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 11 2008, 3:49pm
                                                        And also a reflection of real social change Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Mar 11 2008, 4:07pm
                                                        Ma! Ma! Where's My Pa? squire Send a private message to squire Mar 12 2008, 3:38am
                                                            interesting story Modtheow Send a private message to Modtheow Mar 12 2008, 7:19pm
                                                        Well, my grandmother Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 13 2008, 9:08pm
                                                    "Mollydoodling"! :-D Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 11 2008, 7:42pm
                                                It's a common saying Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 11 2008, 6:20pm
                                                    One point Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 11 2008, 7:20pm
                                                    1 Corinthians 7, KJV a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 11 2008, 8:55pm
                                                        Thank you for the translational history, a.s.! Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 11 2008, 10:47pm
                                                    "Thou shalt have sex!" Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 11 2008, 9:17pm
                                                        "but only with thy lawfully wedded spouse" a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 12 2008, 12:39am
                                                            Family board? Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 12 2008, 4:09am
                                        That is hardly true. Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 10 2008, 10:41pm
                                        I was the one who wrote that. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 12 2008, 3:57am
                                    Sam is a *hero* Beren IV Send a private message to Beren IV Mar 10 2008, 11:06pm
                                    Actually, Sam is kin to the Fallowhides. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 11 2008, 10:17am
                                        Yes, blood will out FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 11 2008, 11:11am
                                            The two overlap. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 11 2008, 11:48am
                                                They do overlap FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 11 2008, 12:00pm
                                                    Such pride can be harmless. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 11 2008, 12:12pm
                                                        Tolkien also writes about overcoming prejudice FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 11 2008, 12:35pm
                                                            In the face of a common threat, yes. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 11 2008, 11:03pm
                                            Normal and Innocent? squire Send a private message to squire Mar 11 2008, 11:57am
                                                Oh, I agree FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 11 2008, 12:05pm
                                                    What's spooky... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 14 2008, 1:38pm
                                                        Yep. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 14 2008, 5:46pm
                                            So did Tolkien mean... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 11 2008, 2:23pm
                                                Mary Sue or Memoir Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 11 2008, 2:43pm
                                                    How do we distinguish Tolkien the real author... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Mar 11 2008, 6:06pm
                                                        An excellent question! Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 11 2008, 7:32pm
                                            Primitive Literature Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 11 2008, 3:33pm
                                                Yes and no. FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 11 2008, 4:50pm
                                                    I quite agree! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 11 2008, 5:28pm
                                                        Yes, I think we are both thinking FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 11 2008, 5:43pm
                                                    I often wonder Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 13 2008, 6:34pm
                                                        Yes, we are very greedy FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Mar 13 2008, 7:27pm
                                                        Gandalf Values Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 13 2008, 10:26pm
                                                Here's the quote from Tolkien's Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 11 2008, 11:26pm
        pronounced "Pwa-tem" :-) a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 10 2008, 2:02am
        I'm a James Branch Caball Fan... Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 10 2008, 2:26am
            The most penetrating analysis by far, Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Mar 10 2008, 3:24am
            comment elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Mar 10 2008, 6:40am
    Sex! Drugs! Race! Religion! Straying politicians! Dreamdeer Send a private message to Dreamdeer Mar 12 2008, 1:01am
        It's a very entertaining thread Aunt Dora Baggins Send a private message to Aunt Dora Baggins Mar 13 2008, 9:11pm

 
 
 

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