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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor
Nov 22 2014, 3:59pm
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The Kingdoms of the Nine
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Since I try to avoid spoilers for the final film of the Middle-earth saga I "left" the Hobbit-Movie-Forum but decided to return and to focus on the many other forums this wonderful fan site has to offer. So I started to think about a few LOTR facts I always wanted to know more about. Questions that need to be answered, so to speak. A question I always wondered about was: Which kingdoms of Men did the Nine belong to before they joined Sauron? Does Tolkien ever give a hint? The only one I know of was Khamûl the Black Easterling who is obviously a former King of the Men of Rhûn. But what about the other eight Nazgûl? I remember that three were of Númenorean descents. I always pictured the Witch-King of Angmar being one of them. In the movie-verse it appears that he indeed was a King of Angmar before he fell since he still had a body when they buried him in the High Fells. So in the movie-verse there might have been a Kingdom of Angmar who joined Sauron and was defeated by the "Men of the North" but the main question remains... So which kingdoms of Men could that be? The different ones I remember from the books: Harad Thal (<-- is it a kingdom?) Arnor Gondor Rohan Númenor (<-- only one kingdom or more?) Rhûn Umbar (<-- is it a kingdom?) Are there more I missed? When I saw the image of the Nine in the latest BOTFA trailer the only one I could identify was the Easterling/Khamûl but all the others... could be from anywhere. Three look quite similar... these might be the three Númenorean kings right? But the other five? I know there are no clear answers given by Tolkien. It's more a mystery since we never learned much about their past but what do you thing?
"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."
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Merovech
Bree
Nov 22 2014, 4:32pm
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There is a Ringwraith that looks to be wearing Haradrim armor on the top left.
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Cari
Bree
Nov 23 2014, 10:07pm
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I remembered this article from earlier this year and found it. You might find it rather interesting. http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2014/02/25/87126-on-the-identity-and-origins-of-the-nazgul/
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Morthoron
Gondor
Nov 24 2014, 3:17am
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That at least two or three were of Numenorean stock, given Numenor's dominion over great swathes of what was to become Gondor, Umbar, Near Harad and even further south along the coast of Far Harad. One would think that at least one great king of the Haradrim was among them, another possibly of the Variags, and also ancestors of the tribes that made up the Balchoth and Wainriders.
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FoundEntwife
Rivendell
Dec 1 2014, 4:24am
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tantalizing to see these lands and not know more abut them or the ringwraiths that might have come from them.
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Hamfast Gamgee
Tol Eressea
Dec 1 2014, 11:33pm
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That was Tolkien's way of saying that he didn't have a snowball's chance in in hell of finishing his work in his lifetime!
(This post was edited by Hamfast Gamgee on Dec 1 2014, 11:36pm)
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