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Gollum Evil?

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Mar 9 2008, 1:59am


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Gollum Evil? [In reply to] Can't Post

So Gollum isn't evil?

And I guess either is Adolph Hitler?

And a murderer is a victim of his mean parent's upbringing of course......

This type of mindset makes a victim out of the perpretraitor.

PJ played this up in his "We did it once (killed)" line Gollum speaks in the movie to make it seem like the only time Gollum ever killed was to get the Ring from Deagle, when the truth in the book was that he regularly killed & ate Goblins & even 'found cradles' & allegedly 'drank blood' after leaving the Misty Mountains in search of 'Baggins'.
Plus Gandalf states plainly that the Ring had given Gollum a measure of power according to his innate disposition to begin with (paraphrase), whereas to Bilbo it had done less harm as he had begun his ownership of the Ring with the pity of sparing Gollum's life......

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                                        found the snow quotes! a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 3 2008, 5:03pm
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                    Morgoth creates orcs, dragons, trolls, etc. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 3:57pm
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    Here are some renderings of the Dark Lord and the other Dark Lord squire Send a private message to squire Mar 1 2008, 1:52am
        that eye a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 1 2008, 2:21am
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                Best cover ever! I love the rabbit eared warrior, in particular.// Farawyn Send a private message to Farawyn Mar 2 2008, 4:52pm
                    Not rabbit ears! "...and above the cheek-guards were set the white wings of sea-birds" squire Send a private message to squire Mar 2 2008, 6:51pm
                        Shall we get Bugs and Daffy involved? // Farawyn Send a private message to Farawyn Mar 2 2008, 8:48pm
            In your defense, Frodo saw one Eye in the Mirror of Galadriel. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 4:15pm
                Also in The Lay of Leithian Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 4:46pm
                    At that point Sauron was a shape shifter, though, Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 5:12pm
                        So it's like Balrog wings. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 5:20pm
                            I'm saying he leaves it ambiguous. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 5:40pm
                                So Sauron himself could be a metaphor. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 6:13pm
                                    no! Sauron is a created thing or a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 3 2008, 6:30pm
                                        But Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 6:44pm
                                            "nothing is evil in the beginning" a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 3 2008, 7:16pm
                                                Exactly Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 8:53pm
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                                                            Tolkien himself said Christ was a true myth a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 4 2008, 12:45am
                                                                Huh? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 4 2008, 12:55am
                                                                    I really suggest you read a little bit more a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 4 2008, 1:17am
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                                                                            I have no idea what you're talking about, sorry a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Mar 4 2008, 6:48pm
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                                    "Just a metaphor"? Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 6:35pm
                                        So... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 6:48pm
                                            Not quite. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 7:04pm
                                                Well Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Mar 3 2008, 8:09pm
                                                    Not quite. Curious Send a private message to Curious Mar 3 2008, 8:48pm
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        Good Point Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 1 2008, 6:23pm
    Tolkien himself illustrated Sauron visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Mar 3 2008, 4:36pm
        Looks More Like.... Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 3 2008, 8:41pm
            Gollum isn't evil Owlyross Send a private message to Owlyross Mar 5 2008, 5:10pm
                Agreed. Farawyn Send a private message to Farawyn Mar 5 2008, 6:17pm
                Gollum Evil? Tolkien Forever Send a private message to Tolkien Forever Mar 9 2008, 1:59am

 
 
 

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