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LaurenOakenshield
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Oct 7 2014, 3:44pm
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How does Thorin get Thror's crown?
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Hey everyone. While I was watching the first Hobbit film last night, I noticed something interesting.
At the Battle of Azanulbizar, we all know Azog decapitates Thror. . .but I noticed Thror was wearing his crown - the same crown that Thorin wears in the BotFA teaser trailer!
Now that leaves me wondering how Thorin gets the crown since the Battle of Azanulbizar was at the gates of Moria. . .and after the battle nobody could have taken the crown from Moria to Erebor since Smaug would have been in the mountain at that time and he would have killed them.
Thorin has to get it from inside Erebor, but how? I guess we will find out for sure on December 17th! 
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NottaSackville
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Oct 7 2014, 3:53pm
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I would guess Thorin had it the whole time
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In the movie-verse, the dwarves owned the field after the battle, so there's no reason they wouldn't have retrieved the crown after the battle. Thorin probably didn't want to wear it openly during the dark days of wandering.
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Glassary
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Oct 7 2014, 5:06pm
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Like most of us own more than one pair of jeans I would assume that Thror would have more than one set of armor.
We know Thorin and company didn't carry this back to Erebor it stands to reason that they picked up these items
in the mountain.
When the dwarves fled all those years ago I assume it was with the clothes on their back. So the armory and the
closets would still remain as they left them. Armor being metal wouldn't degrade over the years and would still
be in the same condition as the day it was left.
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LordotRings93
Rohan
Oct 7 2014, 5:43pm
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Maybe he had it stored someplace?
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Although my best guess is there is more than one crown/set of armor of Thror's. Maybe Thorin has his dwarven companions forge him a new crown/set of armor/sword? We'll see come BOTFA!
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Oct 7 2014, 6:55pm
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The differences are subtle but if you look closely the crowns are not identical. The easiest difference to see is the center of the front - on Thorin's crown the black beaks of the ravens touch in the center, on Thror's crown there is a space between the beaks. Some of the angles in the design look different also.
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DanielLB
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Oct 7 2014, 8:11pm
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Because they look identical to me.
The ravens do not meet because of different size and shape heads. It sits higher up on Thorin's forehead.
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LaurenOakenshield
Bree
Oct 7 2014, 8:19pm
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The differences are subtle but if you look closely the crowns are not identical. The easiest difference to see is the center of the front - on Thorin's crown the black beaks of the ravens touch in the center, on Thror's crown there is a space between the beaks. Some of the angles in the design look different also.
I never noticed that little difference but now I do! Very interesting indeed!
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LaurenOakenshield
Bree
Oct 7 2014, 8:20pm
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Like most of us own more than one pair of jeans I would assume that Thror would have more than one set of armor.
We know Thorin and company didn't carry this back to Erebor it stands to reason that they picked up these items
in the mountain.
When the dwarves fled all those years ago I assume it was with the clothes on their back. So the armory and the
closets would still remain as they left them. Armor being metal wouldn't degrade over the years and would still
be in the same condition as the day it was left.
I also thought that might be the case!
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Avandel
Half-elven
Oct 7 2014, 10:11pm
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And I don't think Thorin would wear a crown if he believes Thrain lives
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So this will be interesting, when does Thorin hear about his father?
At first I thought they were different, but even if Thorin did not lay Thror to rest with the crown (as I assume he did, by burning or other ) - if the crown were kept, I would think it would have been brought to the Blue Mountains, eventually, in the hope that Thrain would be found. So I am going to assume there is more than one, possibly there is a room of Thror's where his things were, and that is where Thorin obtains the fur collar mantle and a crown? I am even thinking that during these explorations, Thorin finds the mithril shirt and will give that to Bilbo. Perhaps.
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Avandel
Half-elven
Oct 7 2014, 10:15pm
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I see the subtle differences but
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Think it's the fit to different head sizes - the designers seem to have been comfortable with crowns that are fitted back-to-front, like Thranduil's, and I think, the raven crown is similar. Nice touch from what we are used to! At first I thought they were different but I'm just not seeing that now, or enough of a difference.
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Oct 8 2014, 12:12am
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So the crown might be adjustable
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But that still leaves me wondering how Thorin brought it with him to Erebor. None of the dwarves had their packs or coats when they escaped from Thranduil's prison, so.... now I'm having mental images of Thorin smuggling the crown out of jail by wrapping it around his manly, muscular thigh underneath his clothing, and if PJ wants to put that in the DOS EE I am SO on board with that!  
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Earl
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Oct 8 2014, 12:31am
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Mmmph... thank goodness I have nothing in my mouth
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You are SO hilarious 
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Avandel
Half-elven
Oct 8 2014, 5:04am
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I was innocently reading and just choked on my drink, torn between laughing and trying desperately to tamp down a flood of SINFUL imagery bubbling up from my primitive brain.
Now I gotta order some of those plastic cooling packs along with the EE, just in case. As soon as I recover *cough*
  
Hó , Það sé ég föður minn
Hó , Það sé ég móður mína, og Hó, Það sé ég bræður mínir og systur mínar
Hó , Það sé ég mitt fólk aftur í byrjun
Hó, gera Þeir kalla til mín, og bjóða mér að taka minn stað meðal þeirra í sölum Valhallar
Hvar hugrakkir mun lifa að eilífu
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Darn it, Elarie!!!
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