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What type of elves reside at Rivendell?
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PhantomS
Rohan


Sep 10 2014, 11:27pm

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Elrond's house of beautiful people [In reply to] Can't Post

When Elrond founded Imladris , most of the residents were Noldor who had fled Eregion and Sauron's killing of the ring-makers. It is highly unlikely that any Sindar lived there, although naturally all were welcome. Silvan elves prefer to live in the forests. Even when Frodo arrives it's noted that Elrond's house still contains several "lords of the west"- the Noldor. Almost all the Elves Frodo met up to this point are Noldor (Elrond himself is considered a High Elf)- Gildor's group and Glorfindel are all Noldor.

Hence it is Noldor who live in Rivendell, mostly because the First Age is "remembered" there.


Elizabeth
Half-elven


Sep 11 2014, 2:37am

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Seems a little demeaning... [In reply to] Can't Post

...for these high-born Noldor to be doing all the tra-la-la stuff recounted in The Hobbit. Are you sure there wasn't a contingent of Sylvan Elves hanging around just for the parties?








Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 11 2014, 3:50am

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The Truth? [In reply to] Can't Post

Dead-beat Elves. They never pay rent, never buy groceries, and never pay their share of the phone bill!

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Elthir
Grey Havens

Sep 11 2014, 3:05pm

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'mostly' leaves a bit of room though, I think... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I note that in The Road Goes Ever On Tolkien wrote 'mostly' High Elves in Rivendell, which in my opinion leaves a bit of room for other Elves. I also think High Elves can refer to the Eldar of Middle-earth, which includes the Sindar (in Appendix B High Elves seems to include the Sindar in my opinion) -- but in RGEO Tolkien is clearly using High Elves to refer to the Noldor, as is usual it seems.


Of The Rings Of Power relates that in Eriador Rivendell was the 'chief' dwelling of the High Elves, but there was a remant of Gil-galad's people in Lindon. This seems to indicate a lot of Noldor too, but the same tale also generally notes: 'In all the days of the Third Age, after the fall of Gil-galad, Master Elrond abode on Imladris, and he gathered there many Elves, and other folk of wisdom and power from among all the kindreds of Middle-earth...'

Sill it's a bit vague. And in Words Phrases and Pasages, entry yrch, Tolkien wrote: 'Avari would not, at this period, be found west of the Misty Mountains. In Eriador such Elves as remained, or were gathered under the protection of Elrond, were either Nandor, or else Sindar and Noldor, fugitives from the destruction of Beleriand at the end of the First Age.'

Again arguably vague enough. Anyway, although you start off with the word 'most' too, you then go on to say it's highly unlikely for Sindar to have lived there, and suggest that there were no Silvan Elves, and seemingly end with the suggestion (in my opinion) that it is only the Noldor who live in Rivendell.

Although if you didn't mean that then maybe we basically agree on Tolkien's choice of mostly High Elves in Imladris, in RGEO.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Sep 11 2014, 3:09pm)


CuriousG
Half-elven


Sep 11 2014, 3:53pm

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Otaku, you make that sound like it's a bad thing. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Darkstone
Immortal


Sep 11 2014, 4:03pm

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When you reach a certain age... [In reply to] Can't Post

...you throw your hands in the air and tra-la-la like you just don't care.

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Elves sont dans Helm's Deep?
Dites-moi pourquoi,
Haldir est mort?

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Darkstone
Immortal


Sep 11 2014, 4:04pm

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Still better than an infestation by hobbits. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Dites-moi pourquoi,
Elves sont dans Helm's Deep?
Dites-moi pourquoi,
Haldir est mort?

-Rodgers and Hammerstein, The Lord of the Rings


Otaku-sempai
Immortal


Sep 11 2014, 4:06pm

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Don't you mean an infestation by Dwarves? [In reply to] Can't Post

Other than guarding your silver spoons, that is.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

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