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JackH
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Aug 27 2014, 3:08pm
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Arwen's Song in the Beginning...
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Personally, I like the second half of the trailer better. They used 'Arwen's Song' from Return of the King in the first half. It's a very elvish song for a very dwarvish movie. I guess the message of the song works though. Overall I liked it and thought I'd share. But I'm really torn about the use of 'Arwen's song' in the beginning.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Aug 27 2014, 3:23pm
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Geeky Photography EDITING...Observation?
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When Thorin says the Word..."WAR" his Mouth becomes Vertical to pronounce it.. Then CUT to Sauron in Flames WHICH Looks like... Thorin's Mouth saying "WAR"...??
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tiamy
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Aug 27 2014, 3:46pm
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Bilbo's Song would be more appropriate IMHO
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I do wish that that song (the last track in the ROTK:CR) will be somehow referenced in BOTFA though...
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JackH
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Aug 27 2014, 3:53pm
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He never says "So be it" in the original trailer. I wonder where that came from? Reminds me a bit of one of the LOTR trailers
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JackH
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Aug 27 2014, 4:00pm
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Yeah that song would have been perfect. Too bad it's a little known, but amazing song from Howard Shore! I hope they include it in the BOTFA movie. It would tie in so well with Fellowship. And I hope we'll be seeing more of old Bilbo (Ian Holm) in this movie as well.
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dormouse
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Aug 27 2014, 4:40pm
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The only merit it has is that it's always good to see clips from the film. But otherwise.... In the real trailer they blended the pictures with Pippin's song so perfectly. If you listen carefully each line of the song tells you something about the shot that goes with it. 'Home is behind, the world ahead' for the exiles leaving Laketown, and so on. Line after line - they've weighed every single word with care and timed the sequence of images to give real meaning. By contrast Arwen's song is absolutely beautiful but totally irrelevant. Whoever made this has had fun cutting and pasting the different sequences but hasn't thought about the words at all. Take another simple example: in the trailer we see the line-up of dwarves against Thorin's line, "Will you follow me...." That tells you something. The mashed version pairs the glimpse of the dwarves with Bilbo's "... and those that did not" - while "those that survived" plays over the piles of gold in the mountain. Same problem with the titles - "The Defining Chapter" "Is Where the Journey begins" [from memory - the wording may not be exact] doesn't mean anything at all. I expect it amused whoever did and that's fine. But as something for other people to watch I'd say it's a very good example of why these things are best left to the professionals
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Bombadil
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Aug 27 2014, 4:51pm
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TOTALLY agree...WHY some do this?
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Likely an Exercise for a Film Class..Maybe? Maybe for resume purposes? Maybe...a portfolio assignment... Maybe..some one wantzzz to get Noticed on the Internet to get hired to be an Editor...? Who knowzzz ... but the author. AND that is OKAY BY Bomby (Since young people have Got to GET a "STARTsomewhere"..?)
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JackH
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Aug 27 2014, 5:16pm
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That's true. Bilbo's words seem to get sort of placed over unrelated shots. However I expect this person was probably trying to differentiate between the two trailers as much as possible... which would defeat the purpose if it matched the original trailer picture for picture. Definitely seems like some up and comer trying to establish some sort of legitimacy. Overall though... definitely not bad for a fan made trailer. I actually thought it was the official alternate trailer at first lol
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 27 2014, 5:26pm
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That line is from FotR when they decide to travel through Moria.
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Mooseboy018
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Aug 27 2014, 5:29pm
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Arwen's song at the beginning just felt awkward, and the editing wasn't the best. The second half was much better, but I still prefer the real trailer. I think there will have to be another trailer to have enough different clips to make any sort of alternate trailer work.
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dormouse
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Aug 27 2014, 6:11pm
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Yes - I think another problem ....
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... probably intractable, is the fact that the filmmakers have the full resources of the film to hand - including clips that won't actually make it into the final edit. They can select them knowing the context of each and every detail. No one else is in a position to do that until they've seen the film, when the need for a trailer is less pressing. If you think about it, the people making the film should be able to produce a better trailer for it than anyone else - it would be a pretty poor show if they couldn't!
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JackH
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Aug 27 2014, 7:00pm
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Another great point. I try not to judge too harshly as I'm sure this person had very limited resources to work with as you stated. I'd say it's all in good fun, and kudos to whoever made this for what it's worth. I've seen some seriously hideous attempts at a trailer and this is certainly not one of them.
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Aug 27 2014, 7:39pm
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Gandalf say that after he has that little Galadriel conversation in DoS: "The High Fells.......so be it." Edit: the Fellowship line seems to match the one used in this trailer more than the DoS line. Sorry
How many Tolkien fans does it take to change a light bulb? "Change? Oh my god, what do you mean change?! Never, never, never......"
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Avandel
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Aug 28 2014, 12:39am
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My first reaction can't be posted on TORn. Music doesn't compute re content, Gandalf would never say "so be it" in the face of a bloodbath that he was a player in starting, whole thing was jarring for me. But wish I had that kind of sw. I won't say leave it to the professionals as have seen some impressive stuff from amateurs but *meh*. Boy, folks are desperate for some BOFA. OK, I admit it. I've trolled for some leaks, but things seem to be locked down like Fort Knox re BOFA PR.
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QuackingTroll
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Aug 28 2014, 1:11am
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I'd say the most likely reason for fan trailers...
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Is, rather simply, practice. Not just practicing editing but also learning what audiences like and how people respond to different videos - so even the negative feedback here is helpful in a way. As you said, people have to start somewhere, and these fan trailers could be the first scribblings of a future artist. I don't see why some are so offended by them. Occasionally they can be quite interesting. There's a great Silmarillion fan trailer out there for example.
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DaughterofLaketown
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Aug 28 2014, 2:10am
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I think the Arwen song is really great, better even!
"And so they stood on the walls of the city of Gondor, and a great wind rose and blew, and their hair, raven and golden, streamed out mingling in the air."
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Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor
Aug 28 2014, 2:42am
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... that when Bilbo said "the good" they showed Gandaff, but when he said "the bad" they showed Tauriel. Some people would find that appropriate! (Though most definitely not me.)
'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.' The Hall of Fire
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DaughterofLaketown
Gondor
Aug 28 2014, 3:53am
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For the record I love Tauriel
"And so they stood on the walls of the city of Gondor, and a great wind rose and blew, and their hair, raven and golden, streamed out mingling in the air."
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Lurker in the Mirk
Valinor
Aug 28 2014, 9:05am
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I'm a lurker. Fan of both books and movies; it seems I have severely misnamed myself... for the moment. Appreciating Thranduil, thread by thread: I, II, III, IV, V, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, XI (Tis true! More appreciation threads for Thranduil exist than ME movies) Thrall Wars!: What business do Elves, Dwarves or Men(?) have with drooling thralls, yea, with smartphones in tow, unto the slopes of Erebor? ... oh, yes, the Hobbit's lingering in some shadows, ever ready to swoop to the hairy rescue. Take cover if you dare!. (A tag-team fanfic with Avandel and Kerewyn) Teh partsies: Prologue (aka the 'tater-mash of whatever came before), two, three, three-appendix: An Unexpected Flashback, four, five (new, posted 20 August) "BoFA"= The Battle || "BotFA"/"tBotFA" = The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies ======= Middle-earth dispatches out of the lurkmirk
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Aug 28 2014, 11:41am
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Love the potato rocks.
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