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The first shot of the 'tBotFA' teaser trailer with Bilbo sitting is almost certainly close to Balin's Tomb,

Theodred
Lorien


Aug 2 2014, 9:50pm

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The first shot of the 'tBotFA' teaser trailer with Bilbo sitting is almost certainly close to Balin's Tomb, Can't Post

because the pillars in this shot are exactly the same as in "the Fellowship of the Ring", just before Gimli is entering Balin's Tomb in the mines of Moria.
Check it out yourself:


Look at the pillars at 0:11 seconds in the 'tBotFA' teaser trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSzeFFsKEt4
Now look at the pillars in this clip from 'The Fellowship of the Ring' at 1:20 seconds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnDbJw1JtZc


What's your opinion about this? Any thoughts?

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(This post was edited by Theodred on Aug 2 2014, 9:51pm)


deskp
Lorien


Aug 2 2014, 9:55pm

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no [In reply to] Can't Post

its Erebor. I completely disagree that its Moria.


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Aug 2 2014, 10:06pm

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Definitely not Moria, but the similarities may have been done on purpose. [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Aug 2 2014, 10:10pm

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What strikes me about that shot [In reply to] Can't Post

are the echoes with the shot of Gandalf sitting forlorn in Gondor when, I think, Faramir is doing is certain-death charge on Osgiliath.

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dormouse
Half-elven


Aug 2 2014, 10:10pm

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I don't see how it could be... [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo is wearing his same clothes that he has worn since leaving Laketown - and years pass between the Battle of Five Armies and Balin's death in Moria. And if it were Moria, what would Bilbo be doing there anyway, the place would be full of orcs? And if he were there, then the Company of the Ring would have known in advance that Balin was dead.

I think the similarity you're seeing between the pillars is the dwarf architectural style designed for the films. Whatever that shot is, I think it has to be in Erebor. It's similar to Balin's tomb because of the shaft of light, but I don't see the shrouds, bodies or coffins other people do. I don't know what I see there really - perhaps it's Erebor's equivalent of the Chamber of Mazarbul before it housed Balin's tomb - it must still have had the shaft of light, just shining on a table or something.


Elarie
Gondor

Aug 2 2014, 10:26pm

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Similar geometric dwarves style but not really the same. [In reply to] Can't Post

The Moria columns have a jutting horizontal rim a few feet above the ground and the one on the left has carving just above the rim. The bases of the Moria columns are also much wider than the upper portion of the column above the horizontal rim.

The Erebor columns are only slightly wider at the base and have no horizontal rim or carving. Also, the Erebor columns appear to have more than four sides - the column on the right clearly shows a flat vertical face ending in a downward pointing triangle where the corner would normally be on a four-sided column.

I think it's just the geometric designs that the dwarves always use that make so much of their work look so similar and so instantly recognizable as dwarven workmanship.

What I think is really interesting is the way the dwarves apparently cut those shafts for the light to enter in and shine on a particular spot, purely for sentimental reason, although I suppose they probably also double as air shafts.


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(This post was edited by Elarie on Aug 2 2014, 10:30pm)


Yngwulff
Gondor


Aug 3 2014, 2:08am

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^^^This [In reply to] Can't Post

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Aug 3 2014, 3:38am

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Wow, nice architectural critique [In reply to] Can't Post

And of course it can't be Moria anyway, just the time frame itself is wrong.


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Glassary
Rivendell


Aug 3 2014, 4:07am

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Just a similarity in the dwarfitecture [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Aug 3 2014, 12:30pm

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It's Thorins grave... // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Elarie
Gondor

Aug 3 2014, 12:41pm

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Dwarfitecture - I love it! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you've got the beginnings of a dissertation there - First Age Dwarfitecture, Second Age Dwarfitecture, Third Age Dwarfitecture.... Smile


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Elarie
Gondor

Aug 3 2014, 12:54pm

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That's the impression it gives [In reply to] Can't Post

(SPOILERS)

but it doesn't really look fancy enough to be the final grave of a dwarf king and Orcrist and the Arkenstone aren't on top of it. Maybe a temporary room, after the battle? Or maybe it's just a shot from the movie where Bilbo is sitting by himself trying to decide what to do next and the room at the back is just a room. I would be super surprised if any of the trailers gave away anything about the ending to the general public and people who haven't read the book.


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MouthofSauron
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Aug 3 2014, 6:33pm

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What?? LOL [In reply to] Can't Post

Why on earth would have Bilbo ventured all the way to Balin's tomb in Moria by himself?? with goblins and a balrog roaming around?


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(This post was edited by MouthofSauron on Aug 3 2014, 6:34pm)


Glassary
Rivendell


Aug 4 2014, 1:22am

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Likewise in AUJ the bridge to Dol Goldur [In reply to] Can't Post

If you look at the bridge it also has the dwarfitecture angles and straight lines. Definately not an
elven style of bridge which is much more fluid and curvy.
Always think:
Elves = Art Nouveau
Dwarves = Art Deco

 
 

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