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Shagrat
Gondor
Jul 29 2014, 1:06pm
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So we have this shot in the trailer:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/...600/screenshot25.png
And then this, which appears to be during the battle:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/...600/screenshot48.png
Where have Kili's pauldrons and breastplate gone? Obviously it will leave him vulnerable (and this may be important), but I wonder why he jettisons it. What happens? I do hope the Dwarves storm out of Erebor in their full array as seen in the first shot. I don't want them to just put the fanciful armour on for show, perhaps during the confrontation with Bard and co, and then wear less in battle, rather like in these pictures:
http://static.tumblr.com/...orin-fili-poster.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/...presentationpack.jpg
There was some speculation that this would be our heroes' battle armour, which disappointed me greatly because Richard Armitage spoke about the Dwarves having this amazing armour for the battle. So when I initially saw that in the trailer I was relieved, but that second shot of Kili has me concerned again.
(This post was edited by Shagrat on Jul 29 2014, 1:13pm)
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 29 2014, 1:12pm
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Might the picture of Kili at Ravenhill not even be during the battle?
Kili seems to be on the chariot... if they are on their way to Ravenhill in order to send for Dain, this would happen before the battle.
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We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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KeenObserver
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Jul 29 2014, 1:20pm
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. . . Is that there will be a good amount of preliminary action before anybody suits up for the grand battle.
P.S. I'm also relieved that the dwarves of the company will be wearing actual armour.
”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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dormouse
Half-elven
Jul 29 2014, 1:24pm
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Kili has to come all the way from Lake Town before the battle...
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And there may be other pre-battle scenes we know nothing about. Even on the trailer there's the scene of him lifting the statue - and the trailer scenes aren't necessarily in sequence, so you can't say he jettisons the armour because in one scene he wears it and in another he doesn't.
Hold on - it's far too soon to be disappointed!
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Shagrat
Gondor
Jul 29 2014, 1:29pm
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Perhaps I am reading too much into all this, but do we fans ever do otherwise? 
In any case I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the Dwarves will suit up for the showdown with Bard, go back inside, and some of them will remove some of their armour before they emerge from Erebor (for reasons I'm not yet sure about). I suspect that Kili, Fili and Thorin will indeed fight as depicted on those stamps, because I really don't see them having much time for costume changes (and what would make them drop their armour halfway through a battle anyway? Sure it's probably heavy but that's how Dwarves roll. And it doesn't look hot - quite the opposite).
Again I really hope I'm wrong, but I feel the evidence is pointing towards something like this.
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Shagrat
Gondor
Jul 29 2014, 1:41pm
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I got all pessimistic again and added some more. You may wish to edit yours lest you want people to think you agree with me. 
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Carne
Tol Eressea
Jul 29 2014, 1:48pm
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I wonder why they needed an extra small scale double?
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Saving money by building smaller sets, haha?
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Rohan
Jul 29 2014, 2:02pm
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To change the subject a little
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In the second link you posted Kili seems to have grown out his beard some, almost resembling Thorin's.
How many Tolkien fans does it take to change a light bulb?
"Change? Oh my god, what do you mean change?! Never, never, never......"
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Azaghâl
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 2:13pm
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So much Kili love again in this trailer.. Poor Fili. After all he is only the heir to the throne of Erebor and the line of Durin. Not really important. But the beardless, elf-loving, arrow shooting, mothers-favorite, super hero Kili is MUCH more important.
To heck with you PJ! It was Fili's turn to shine. Too bad that in DOS half of Fili's lines were: "Kili!"
*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-męnu!*
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dormouse
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Jul 29 2014, 2:15pm
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Too late, too late..... The moment for editing has passed me by.
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So may I just point out, in the interests of clarity, justice and apple pie, that the only thing I was agreeing with in Shagrat's previous post was this....
Perhaps I am reading too much into all this, but do we fans ever do otherwise?
As for the rest, as far as I can see, there ain't no evidence at all and the idea of the dwarves taking their armour OFF to go into battle is, well, unlikely
Reading too much into things, on the other hand, and worrying about stuff that hasn't happened seems to be an epidemic....
(BTW, I doubt if anyone around here would have thought I did agree... )
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Jul 29 2014, 2:18pm
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The battle is gonna have several stages and Ii´m afraid that is gonna be a SIEGE
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The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!
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Macfeast
Rohan
Jul 29 2014, 2:26pm
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... is that the small scale double is the one to be carried off by Beorn (played by someone in greensuit).
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Carne
Tol Eressea
Jul 29 2014, 2:35pm
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Could also be Beorn in human form.
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KeenObserver
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Jul 29 2014, 2:37pm
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”The thirst for adventure is the vent which Destiny offers; a war, a crusade, a gold mine, a new country, speak to the imagination and offer…” - Jose Bergamin
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wonderinglinguist
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 2:51pm
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I love Fili. It's disappointing when just Kili constantly gets the attention. 
Keep smiling! 
"Do not spoil the wonder with haste!" Tolkien
"Like all dreamers, I mistook disenchantment for truth." Satre
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
Jul 29 2014, 6:21pm
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Hopefully he'll get at least a couple extra moments to shine in the extended edition.
At least he gets a really cool looking axe in the trailer, and he's finally wearing blue.
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Elanor of Rohan
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 7:09pm
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maybe it's just a glimpse or two
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and don't forget it's only a teaser trailer..
But seriously..
-it's Fili who is leading the other three from Erebor downstairs,
- it's Fili who is the first Dwarf when they file away all dressed in golden armour
- it's Fili who is riding on the chariot with probably Balin and Dwalin (but it's surely Fili)
Cross our fingers...
By the way...during the Misty Mountains song, (yes the one shot with Rob Kazinsky), Fili entered the room together with Kili and stood near the mantlepiece and near Thorin....
of course he had to be "shadowed" in order not to show he had another face (but that's another story...)
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marillaraina
Rohan
Jul 30 2014, 6:10am
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and don't forget it's only a teaser trailer.. But seriously.. -it's Fili who is leading the other three from Erebor downstairs, - it's Fili who is the first Dwarf when they file away all dressed in golden armour - it's Fili who is riding on the chariot with probably Balin and Dwalin (but it's surely Fili) Cross our fingers... By the way...during the Misty Mountains song, (yes the one shot with Rob Kazinsky), Fili entered the room together with Kili and stood near the mantlepiece and near Thorin.... of course he had to be "shadowed" in order not to show he had another face (but that's another story...)
Kili's on the chariot too, there's a bit where you can see the bow and arrow he's shooting, along with Balin, Dwalin and Fili. So all four are on the chariot. Interesting all those closest to Thorin.
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