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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Jul 29 2014, 12:22pm
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The absence of the crows. People how do you think things play out to warn Dain?
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Watching the fantastic trailer, I wonder what role plays that sled on wich it seems there are Dwalin, Balin and Fili...
We have two shots, one they seem going out from Erebor, and being comfronted by wargs
In the other they are going to Dale
This makes me thing two things
One regarding how Dain will be warned, perhaps those on the charriot go to the iron hills, chat with Dain, but there is no arkenstone, so Dain will refuse and they will come back to Erebor.
After that Dain will do an Theoden and will show up unexpected in the battle.
The other thing is about the siege of the mountain. It seems that at some point Dale will be sieged by perhaps Gundaband orcs or some sort of alliance of orc packs, and the main gate of Erebor too, perhaps Dale will fight its own battle in wich Bard becomes the true lider. Remember that scene when Thranduil arrives and there is already dead people on the streets. And after having break the siege and take control of the valley they will go to the main gate of Erebor and parlament with Thorin, who already is completely mad in knowing that Dain wont go in his help and its al about dwarven pride.
And at the end it will play as in the book, the huge army of Dol Guldur will arrive, and Dain will arrive and we have the battle itself
Jus Thoughts...
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dormouse
Half-elven
Jul 29 2014, 12:51pm
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We don't know for sure the ravens are absent. They would be CGI and may not have been added yet.
We've certainly had plenty of references to ravens, from the end of AUJ when Oin thinks he sees a raven and Gandalf tells him it's a thrush, though to the heraldic ravens on the tapestry, dwarf armour and dwarf art. So they have taken note of the importance of ravens to the dwarves.
Now, given that they left out Beorn's animals (and the Talking Purse), I'd say that it's entirely likely that Roac will be left out as well, and all these references to ravens are their way of acknowledging the part ravens play in the book. In that case they'll have to find find some other way to summon Dain, and it could indeed be the chariot - it must be going somewhere. But I'm still holding out hope for the ravens. I don't expect we'll see them, but it would be nice.
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 29 2014, 12:54pm
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The chariot might also be on the way to Ravenhill... which will feature in the movie one way or the other.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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KeenObserver
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 1:10pm
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Where would members of the company get that chariot and the rams to draw it?
Would Dáin not be the one to supply them with such things?
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 29 2014, 1:13pm
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Timeline-wise.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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Noria
Gondor
Jul 29 2014, 1:15pm
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Maybe they are coming back from the Iron Hills, not going.//
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dormouse
Half-elven
Jul 29 2014, 1:18pm
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The chariot might be tucked away somewhere in Erebor but the rams can only have come from outside
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Elarie
Grey Havens
Jul 29 2014, 1:33pm
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Did anyone else think it was funny that Oin mistook a thrush for a raven?
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That's a bit like mistaking a bicycle for a truck. Maybe Oin needs glasses as well as an ear trumpet? 
And once again the world has not arranged itself just for me.
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Kendalf
Rohan
Jul 29 2014, 1:35pm
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We don't know for sure the ravens are absent. They would be CGI and may not have been added yet...I'm still holding out hope for the ravens. I don't expect we'll see them, but it would be nice.
Yes, I think it's way too soon to presume their absence. Fingers crossed, eh?
"I have walked there sometimes, beyond the forest and up into the night. I have seen the world fall away and the white light of forever fill the air."
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Jul 29 2014, 2:07pm
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Regarding Time-line I remember an image of Thorin taking down Azog (green costume guy)
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There he is not wearing the heavy armour, I´m beginig to think that maybe he will kill Azog, and then Bolg will do his final job(as in the book)
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Jul 29 2014, 9:53pm
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I'm fine with leaving out the crows.
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They are rude, unpleasant and they swear too much. I much prefer the ravens!
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