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Beorn's Bees
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Jul 29 2014, 12:58am
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Regarding battle rams...
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I am overflowing with images in my head of an army of battle goats charging into the battle being lead by King Dain on a huge wild boar. This will be a new one for the ME franchise and I CANNOT wait to this on screen. Thoughts?
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Carne
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Jul 29 2014, 12:59am
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That was actually my favorite part of the trailer! //
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arithmancer
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Jul 29 2014, 1:00am
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the battle goats looked pretty cool. I agree, this will be a marvelous sight to see on the big screen.
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Kim
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Jul 29 2014, 1:03am
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I thought they looked pretty cool
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I was afraid they were going to be little billy goats or something, couldn't quite picture it. But I thought they looked pretty sweet in the trailer, and my thought on the scene with the ice chariot was, "can't wait to see that in HFR!" So I imagine they will look pretty spectacular in the movie.
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“As such, you will address His Majesty as His Majesty, the Lord of Silver Fountains, the King of Carven Stone, the King Beneath the Mountain, the Lion of Erebor, the High King of the Dwarves, the True Treasure of Erebor, the Face that Launched 10,000 Sighs, or Thorin the Majestic..."
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Name
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Jul 29 2014, 1:06am
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Especially once the cgi is perfected.
As for Dain's arrival, I don't want him to arrive in the middle of the battle and charge the orcs Rohirrim-style. I'd like it if he comes shortly after the elves arrive, and that way we actually get to meet Dain. He really needs some character development so that we can accept him as the new king.
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tsmith675
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Jul 29 2014, 1:07am
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Battle rams actually make sense to me.
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They're very fierce.
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Mooseboy018
Grey Havens
Jul 29 2014, 1:13am
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I wonder if someone at Weta was inspired by World of Warcraft because the dwarves in that game ride rams. Or maybe that's some fantasy trope that's been around a while that I just haven't noticed much.
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bungobaggins
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 4:28am
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My favorite chapter in the book
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was always the one with the battle rams in it. A close second was the one with the war chariot and Bard riding in a cart. Such vivid memories of reading those passages.
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redgiraffe
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Jul 29 2014, 4:45am
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was always the one with the battle rams in it. A close second was the one with the war chariot and Bard riding in a cart. Such vivid memories of reading those passages.
did those happen in the book? I don't remember.
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Meneldor
Valinor
Jul 29 2014, 4:49am
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Thor rode a chariot pulled by goats.
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 29 2014, 7:21am
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The developers also decided to let Giant Goats be the mounts that can be used in places such as Moria - where horses dare not go.
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NecromancerRising
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Jul 29 2014, 8:00am
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The battle rams looked brilliant.
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dormouse
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Jul 29 2014, 8:20am
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No, he was being sarcastic....
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.. or maybe you are as well! 
Whatever, I think they looked very dramatic. Gives 'battering ram' a whole new meaning!
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 29 2014, 8:21am
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As long as their attack does not quote the Ride of the Rohirrim too much. That would be a major mistake and probably fail, imho.
It has to be different.
I still hope the armies will almost simultaniously join the battle and we will get to see four of the involved armies running towards each other - with the Orcs entering the fields between Erebor and Dale, the Iron Hills Dwarves coming from the other side of the mountain, as well as Elves and Men coming out of Dale.
This would lead to a totally different feeling right from the start.
A deus ex machina arrival of Dain and his army on any form of horse-like animal would be really, really wrong, imho.
"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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CathrineB
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Jul 29 2014, 8:38am
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I loved the battle goats or what you called it. With those horns and armors they looked pretty badass.
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Azaghâl
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 8:42am
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Can't have Dain's army be a watered down version of the rohirrim.
I am really disappointed with these ram riders. Not the design but the idea behind it and how it ruins the way J.R.R. Tolkien envisioned of dwarfs. The description of the Ironhill dwarfs is very clear from the book. They had moved by foot very quickly and carried heavy burdens with them Cause that is the way dwarfs do it. Dwarfs don't tire easily and they have never rode into battle. They are a standing army of heavy armour and broad shields, like a wall or iron. This way of turning them into a cavalry is way too warcraft-fantasy-like. Sometimes you should just follow established lore. 
I kinda like the idea of Dain riding a boar, because he's a king and he should be special. But I really hope we will get to see some part of the army being ground troops.
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Boromir Stark
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Jul 29 2014, 10:41am
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I always pictured Dwarven armies as being made up of heavily armoured infantry only. I have never envisioned them having cavalry or even archers - something about those images just don't fit.
That said, I love these battle rams. They look really cool, and keep what could have turned into a war-movie grounded in fantasy - because at the end of the day that's what these movies are.
It may be that there is only a single mounted unit, and the rest of the army are footsoldiers. I guess we'll need to wait and see.
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TheSexyBeard
Lorien
Jul 29 2014, 10:53am
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I'm sure we'll have infantry too
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Remember in the last vlog we saw what appeared to be a Iron Hill Dwarf soldier on foot, falling over (probably unintentionally). So we might still have dwarves marching to battle.
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img607/7436/g7ut.jpg
I'm surprised by goats after setting myself up for boars and thinking that they were thematically suitable for dwarves. Mountain goats are also quite suitable (dwarves live in mountains, goats live on mountains) but still it's quite a surprise. Some members mentioned how Big Horn sheep can be quite aggressive in the trailer thread so goat calvary could end up working quite well.
After a quick google search goat chariots aren't exactly new. Looks like Thor had one as does this lucky guy:
http://cdn.fairfaxregional.com.au/silverstone-feed-data/2de07621-c33d-4deb-9fed-3df0a56285ee.jpg
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Grimnir
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Jul 29 2014, 11:30am
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Rams and the dwarven lineage tapestry
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Do you remember the dwarven lineage tapestry?
(If you don't: http://www.thelandofshadow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/HobbitLineageofDurinTapestry2.jpg)
Very well. We have three animals depicted: Two ravens, one boar and one ram.
If you look closely to Thrór's crown, you'll see two ravens. The ravens also help the dwarves in the book. And it's not a surprise that the two ravens on the tapestry are right next to Thór's family.
The rest is kinda obvious: The boar is next do Dáin's family and the ram is next to Balin's family.
What's my conclusion? There'll be another dwaf army.
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nandorin elf
Bree
Jul 29 2014, 3:47pm
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My skepticism has been demolished and then some. The battle rams look great.
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Otaku-sempai
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Jul 29 2014, 10:12pm
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At least the war-rams get Dain and his fighters to Erebor faster than they could have arrived on foot. Jackson plays too freely with time and distance as it is.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Macfeast
Rohan
Jul 30 2014, 1:42pm
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Nothing wrong with the rams by themselves. It's just... I always liked the image of the dwarves marching all the way from the Iron Hills. It wasn't spectacular, by any means... it was just so wonderfully stubborn and determined, like the dwarves themselves. Looking at the Ride of the Rohirrim, it wasn't just a cool battle sequence; It was something that was very illustrative of the culture and people of Rohan. Similarly, I always felt that the lack of a dedicated dwarven cavalry was very much in keeping with the way dwarves did things; They might use ponies for long-distance travel, but in battle, they'd prefer solid rock beneath their feet.
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