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KeenObserver
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Jul 23 2014, 1:36am
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By George, I think you've got it!
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I wasn't ready to claim that it is Glamdring either.
You really got to the bottom of this - nice work.
What on Earth is going on with Gandalf's arsenal? 
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ElendilTheShort
Gondor
Jul 23 2014, 3:13am
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and the incarnation of olorin as gandalf did not exist during the last alliance
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Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 3:17am
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Man I missed a lot over 6 hours!
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Ok so it's clearly not a flashback. I think that's been established. I'm going going to agree that the staff will be cgi-ed over. As for the sword I can't tell either.
But this is a REALLY cool picture! Looks to me like it might be Gandalf intervening and trying to stop the good guys from slaughtering each other. Or perhaps it's the Arkenstone subplot?
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AinurOlorin
Half-elven
Jul 23 2014, 4:21am
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Gandalf and Thranduil, that's the photo I've been waiting for!!
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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Sildarion~Valenar
Bree
Jul 23 2014, 4:22am
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...just a magic trick.
PJ's simply playing us with all this staff-confusion.
A ploy (and a joke) to keep us abuzz while we wait for the trailer
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Old Pilgrim
Rivendell
Jul 23 2014, 5:02am
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Always love to see new pics, especially those with my dearest wizard on it.
But now back to the picture - first of all I just love it. With no CGI around it resembles me so much of good old LOTR, colours are similar from those in Osgiliath and it definitely feels like the same world. Just keep it up that way.
Hmm perhaps this is a flashback because Gandalf doesn't look so tired and injured like on other pics from Dale, but then again when and where would it take place? Plus we have all this confusion with his staff and sword so it's difficult to say anything but I still believe this is happening in Dale just before battle begins.
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DanielLB
Immortal
Jul 23 2014, 5:37am
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The angle and lighting make it difficult to discern the shape of the pommel. But what about the scabbard? Looks identical to Glamdring's.
Maybe this prop looks different to the "hero sword" version
^ This is a more likely scenario. I'm trying to remember which scene in AUJ Bilbo clearly has a floppy plastic Sting?
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BilboBagshot187
Rivendell
Jul 23 2014, 7:00am
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I definitely missed Gandalf's presence in DOS, but I think he will feature heavily in BOTFA, hopefully Bilbo will do too as he got a bit lost in the midsection of DOS. Now that I think about it we also have Beorn, Fili and Kili and of course Thorin! It's going to be a tough job making sure all these characters get a chance to shine, I hope they pull it off.
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NoelGallagher
Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 8:06am
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Somewhere (from McCoy or even Jackson) that the staff can open and close depending on the Situation ?! Had that in mind....
Something was said like "a secret we will learn more about at the beginning of the third film"
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 23 2014, 8:29am
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... in the commentary PJ and PB state that there is a reason why Gandalf does not have his FotR staff in AUJ and that we will learn why during the end of film 2 and the beginning of film 3, if you mean that secret.
We saw his AUJ staff burn - so that is solved.
Now we should see Gandalf getting his new one.
Maybe Sauron did not burn Gandalf's staff in the earlier script-versions and therefore he got it back later.
Since large parts of the Bot5A was filmed during pickups last year, I am sure they will have re-shot some stuff and will use CGI for other scenes.
Weird though that such a picture gets released... they surely must have a lot of material with the new staff or simply without any staff.
Even if Radagast's staff can open and close... this one is imho clearly Gandalf's old one and no closed version of Radagast's.
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NoelGallagher
Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 8:38am
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Warner Bros.now don't look at the released pictures thinking:
"What have we done"
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adt100
Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 8:55am
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True, but like all these pics it's an on-set pic, not a film screenshot.
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For the final film I would be pretty confident that whatever this scene is, the final staff shown would be the 'correct' Radagast/FOTR staff. It's seems pretty clear from all we've seen that this is most likely the ruined city of Dale. Thranduil and his Elves also have their armour on and Gandalf is looking somewhat 'dishevelled' with no hat etc.
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Arannir
Valinor
Jul 23 2014, 8:55am
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I wished they'd seem to care that much...
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"I am afraid it is only too likely to be true what you say about the critics and the public. I am dreading the publication for it will be impossible not to mind what is said. I have exposed my heart to be shot at." J.R.R. Tolkien
We all have our hearts and minds one way or another invested in these books and movies. So we all mind and should show the necessary respect.
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boldog
Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 9:08am
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Gandalf looks pissed at Thranduil!
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This is interesting. Why does Gandalf look at Thranduil the way he does? I wonder how their relationship will be in this film. Im thinking Gandalf will face the same sort of frustration, he faced with denethor. A stubborn king, to reason with 
I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.
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QuackingTroll
Valinor
Jul 23 2014, 11:39am
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And I've no idea what it means. As you pointed out, it's (probably) not a flashback because of the setting.
But the sword does look different - The scabbard has a slightly different shaped chape (the metal thing protecting the point) and the sword has a different pommel. But so does this - http://oi49.tinypic.com/33vp9n4.jpg is that Glamdring?? Does he have two swords?
And that's unarguably his first staff.
I'm also leaning more toward "wrong props" due to the setting not making sense. But I don't know... I'm just making observations, really. I noticed the sword was wrong before I noticed his staff. I like swords - particularly Glamdring.
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Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 12:25pm
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Gandalf didn't take Glamdring with him to Isengard in FotR. Maybe he just didn't carry it with him that much. I don't know. But I know in the movie world he left it with Elrond in Rivendell.
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Rohan
Jul 23 2014, 12:33pm
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Notice the staffs are different in these two Gandalf pictures that were just released. In the first one it is definitely not his AUJ staff. Which just proves, in my mind, that these staffs are just props, and since we aren't seeing an actual finished movie image, we shouldn't take it too seriously.
How many Tolkien fans does it take to change a light bulb?
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Cirashala
Valinor
Jul 25 2014, 2:17am
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Thranduil and Legolas are Sindarin elves, not woodelves. And Thranduil was described in TH novel as being golden haired. So logically his son (unless his mother was a wood elf and he took after her) would be blonde as well.
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