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Jul 7 2014, 2:23pm

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We can certainly view Dis as "The Widow, Dis" if Fili and Kili's father died. Thorin's family is so fascinating - their uncle Frerin was a burned dwarf, died a long time before they were born, but would have likely shared the "sister-son" relationship with them that Thorin had. It's a lot to juggle, since his grandfather was beheaded and his father disappeared, that Thorin also lost his little brother in the War.

But nothing at all is known about her husband. Their blonde hair kind of singles them out as possibly not being Firebeards, so perhaps their father is a Broadbeam. Upon moving the refugees to Ered Luin, Thorin might have politically had to marry his dear sister to a Broadbeam Prince to help expedite the integration process. Dwarves are passionate and covetous in Tolkien's lore, so one doubts it would be purely political - you can picture ways around that, too. A romance that grew as the Longbeards settled in ... or one that already existed and allowed for the refugees of Erebor a place to go.

But while Thorin obviously had a hand in raising them and is their "favorite uncle" and they're fiercely loyal, do we actually know that their father is dead? He couldn't have died at Azanulbizar because they're too young. He had to reside in the Ered Luin, and if he's not part of the legacy of Erebor, he might've had no cause of his own to assist his brother-in-law's quest. Or perhaps he died in perilous adventures elsewhere. Or as I rather like to think; he was the Lord of Belegost and his lordly duties didn't permit him questing.

It also just dawned on me that Gimli is about the same age as Bilbo. It'd be rad to hear Gloin say "My son's about your age!"

Balin's parallel claim to lordship is exactly what led him to attempt to retake Moria, it's fairly well established. As the fellow senior "Grandsons of Frorin", Oin clearly believed in his cousin's righteous claim. Dwalin and Gloin probably thought their daft old brothers had become too idealistic, dreamed too big, and stuck with cousin Dain.

(This post was edited by Retro315 on Jul 7 2014, 2:29pm)

Subject User Time
If Dain also died in bo5a does that mean Balin would be king under the mountain? boldog Send a private message to boldog Jul 6 2014, 10:04am
    Hmmmm I don't know. Name Send a private message to Name Jul 6 2014, 12:55pm
        Handydwarf Dis KeenObserver Send a private message to KeenObserver Jul 7 2014, 3:36am
            Actually, Dis would not have been able to claim the throne either way Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Jul 7 2014, 4:05am
                *Mods up* KeenObserver Send a private message to KeenObserver Jul 7 2014, 12:01pm
                Re Retro315 Send a private message to Retro315 Jul 7 2014, 2:23pm
    Interesting... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jul 6 2014, 3:44pm
        Indeed! Yngwulff Send a private message to Yngwulff Jul 7 2014, 2:08am
    Is Daín being killed off? peterLF Send a private message to peterLF Jul 7 2014, 12:05pm
        Just entertaining mind games KeenObserver Send a private message to KeenObserver Jul 7 2014, 12:30pm


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