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KrakenGuard
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Jun 18 2014, 5:46pm
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So, where did the name 'Guritz' come from?
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Everyone remembers that orc with the skull on his head, right?
Aside from Gothmog, he's the only other orc who seems to stick out among the rest of his fiendish friends. But unlike Gothmog, or even Shagrat or Gorbag, he did not have an official name.
Yes, he was nicknamed 'Skully' by the cast and crew for obvious reasons, but I guarantee you would not find 'Skully' listed in the credits. Not even in the Extended Edition. And even in past merchandise, he was only known as a Morannon Orc Captain, or Mordor Orc Lieutenant.
He did not have an official name when the movie came out. And even in the Extended Edition, he wasn't given a name... But now, I've seen the name 'Guritz' thrown around in certain places, and the same name is being used for his upcoming Asmus figure.
So, after all these years, they've decided to give this orc a name. 
What I'm curious about is: Where did the name come from? And why would they bother to give this previously nameless character a name? It's been eleven years since RoTK, hasn't it? Why decide now to give this guy a name?
Was it because he turned out to be more popular than expected?
Not gonna lie though, for a character that isn't really all that important, I'd have to say that's quite the accomplishment, to be named after all these years...
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2014, 6:01pm
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i have always thought of this orc as female. the voice sounds like a female voice.
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Earl
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Jun 18 2014, 9:39pm
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I think it's the voice and also the general "aura' surrounding that orc (and perhaps the long-ish hair) 
Either way, it's a pretty cool orc design and still makes my flesh crawl a little.
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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KrakenGuard
The Shire
Jun 18 2014, 9:41pm
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That seems to be where the name is most prominent.
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That seems to be where the name is most prominent. But I do seem to remember the name being mentioned on the LoTR Wiki, even before the Asmus Figures and stuff.
But then, the name started catching on with other things. Can't say I've played Lego Lord of the Rings, but I know the name also appears on the Brickipedia as well.
On a different subject, does anyone know where I can find Mr. Skully without the skull? I recall there being an image someplace where he was without the skull, but I can't find it for the life of me!
Any tips?
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Magpie
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Jun 18 2014, 10:07pm
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been using a few search tricks
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doing a search for 'guritz' 'lord of the rings' during certain time parameters doesn't seem to provide any results until 2006 but nothing that reveals anything.
the LOTR wiki page was created on December 22, 2006 and seems to be using the name from the onset.
There is no mention - in the wiki article - as to where the name comes from which is, in my opinion, a serious issue. I have done a good amount of work on the extras in the LOTR films and I always specify where a character's name comes from.
I also conducted a google search of the entire LOTR wiki site and didn't find any other info.
The name is not present in the ROTK credits.
I considered the possibility that the name came from the Decipher Collectible Card Game since that was being actively produced during the release of the three LOTR movies and that game named (and in some cases, renamed) characters that were not named in the movies.
But a cursory search of the cards did not produce any results.
I suggest you contact someone on the wiki and ask them. They are responsible for their info.
But, it appears the name is licensed by NewLine so that's likely the source. For what reason the name was created is what's in question.
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Maciliel
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Jun 18 2014, 10:07pm
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earl, agreed on general aura! : )
but i must say, the tip off for me was when i observed the other orcs opening the door for her.
cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Earl
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Jun 18 2014, 10:09pm
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I've never seen this orc without the skull
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Are you sure it wasn't another similar looking orc?
The Hobbit Soundtracks - Being an online archive of information concerning Howard Shore's score for The Hobbit films.
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KrakenGuard
The Shire
Jun 18 2014, 10:14pm
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I'm pretty sure. He had the same face, including that scar.
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Darkstone
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Jun 19 2014, 12:21am
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Possibly an homage to "Garland Green"
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"One girl, I drove through three states wearing her head as a hat."
-Garland Green, Con Air (1997).
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The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”
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Big Daddy Balrog
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Jun 21 2014, 5:32am
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not female but almost pretty enough
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With the blonde hair and blue eyes, this Orc looks the most like a corrupted Elf, no?
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