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Maciliel
Valinor
Jun 16 2014, 12:09am
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lindwen is from the "lost letters" of 1918-1937.
years ago, i was at an estate sale in some dusty corner of new england. the house was in the country, set far back from the road, and was in serious disrepair. the place was full of yesteryear flotsam and jetsam.... steamer trunks, spats, sugar tongs, odd pieces of limoge, fans encrusted with sequins and lace.
in an old shoe travel trunk (a suitcase devoted entirely to porting shoes from one locale to another), i found dozens and dozens of letters stuffed into the little shoe cubby holes, like mail from a post office frozen in time. i really wanted the shoe travel trunk (i had not seen one before) and didn't think much of the letters at first. the shoe trunk was $20, i peeled off a bill, and jauntily carried my prize to my car.
that evening, cleaning the shoe trunk out, i discovered --- incredible -- letter upon letter from j.r.r. tolkien. i could not believe it!! a treasure of references to characters and places and detail that were obviously earlier versions, more complete versions of the silmarillion. sometimes even whole, quoted passages.
i put the letters in chronological order, and logged them in a ledger, giving them their own, unique number.
letter #22-05-28.2 (he wrote 2 letters on may 28, 1922) presents a clear character sketch of lindwen. this was from a brief correspondence with caviglia, a noted opera singer at the time. he based lindwen, an amazon elf-type who is also highly sensitive and sings, on her. this brief correspondence ended when caviglia was murdered by jasper ankle, an obsessed fan (who was also, incidentally, encrusted with sequins and lace).
cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
(This post was edited by Maciliel on Jun 16 2014, 12:16am)
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Meneldor
Valinor
Jun 16 2014, 12:18am
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D**n him to h**l!
Excuse my language. This revelation is extremely upsetting.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
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Maciliel
Valinor
Jun 16 2014, 12:23am
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i thought caviglia's demise was well-known (well, it is to opera fans).
but -- clearly -- but for jasper ankle, the corrspondence between tolkien and caviglia would have continued, fleshing out lindwen so she could take a prominent role in the sil (she led her own noldor contingent out of valinor). but (i'm inferring from what i've read of the shoe trunk correspondence) tolkien was quite bereft over the death of caviglia, and set aside lindwen from inclusion in the sil. but there are +reams+ of letters that mention her.
cheers --
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Meneldor
Valinor
Jun 16 2014, 12:26am
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Sigh. OK, I've got myself back under control now. Sorry about that.
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So, just to distract me from my woe, what has your research into the Trunk Letters revealed on the subject of balrog wings?
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
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Maciliel
Valinor
Jun 16 2014, 12:34am
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s'okay, melendor. : ) we're here for you.
the shoe trunk letters +do+ mention balrogs. tolkien playfully mentioning getting "wingspiration" for balrogs from fireflies, of all things. imagine that!
cheers : )
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aka. fili orc-enshield
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the scene, as i understand it, is exceptionally well-written. fili (in sort of a callback to the scene with the eagles), calls out "thorRIIIIIIN!!!" just as he sees the pale orc veer in for the kill. he picks up the severed arm of an orc which is lying on the ground, swings it up in desperation, effectively blocking the pale orc's blow. and thus, forever after, fili is known as "fili orc-enshield."
this earns him deep respect from his hard-to-please uncle. as well as a hug. kili wipes his boots on the pale orc's glory box. -- maciliel telpemairo
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Ethel Duath
Half-elven
Jun 16 2014, 3:09am
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Although Bill the Pony would likely vote neigh.
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BlackFox
Half-elven
Jun 16 2014, 8:57am
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Well, I consider it my duty as a self-proclaimed representative of the foxes of Middle-earth.  And while I could promise to be less annoying in the future, I won't, as I'm not likely to change. At least not for the better. 
“Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake.” - Henry David Thoreau
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SaulComposer
Rohan
Jun 16 2014, 4:12pm
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Elrond didn't put up the fellowship
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They were all volunteers
Music!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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HeWhoArisesinMight
Rivendell
Jun 17 2014, 2:40am
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I don't think Gandalf took on all 9 Nazgul
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When he faced them on Weathertop, there were four or five. Still, a great feat to take on four or five, and the WK was among them.
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HeWhoArisesinMight
Rivendell
Jun 17 2014, 2:43am
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I always thought he would be a good addition. Would anyone have suspected him of wanting to wield the ring? Also, he was one of the most powerful beings in Middle Earth. I could easily see him taking on one of the Nazgul...
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Big Daddy Balrog
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Jun 17 2014, 3:05am
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Beorn was dead by the time of LOTR, was he not?
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During the feast in Rivendell, it was said that Beorn's son Grimbeorn ruled the Beornings and kept the High Pass open. So I would assume that Beorn was dead by then, but Gloin did refer to him in the past tense.
Having Grimbeorn in the Fellowship would have kept with the "Hobbit: Next Generation" makeup of the Fellowship (Frodo heir of Bilbo, Legolas son of the Elvenking, Gimli son of Gloin)
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Bracegirdle
Valinor
Jun 17 2014, 4:52am
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When he faced them on Weathertop, there were four or five. Still, a great feat to take on four or five, and the WK was among them. Gandalf speaking: (Bk II Ch 2) "At sunrise I escaped and fled towards the north. I could not hope to do more. It was impossible to find you, Frodo, in the wilderness, and it would have been folly to try with all the Nine at my heels." (My bold).
There are other references that I don't have time to look up.. You may be thinking of the Flight to the Ford where there were only 5?
Cheers
"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
-Albert Einstein
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HeWhoArisesinMight
Rivendell
Jun 18 2014, 1:30am
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I am thinking about Aragorn and the Hobbits atop Weathertop when five of the Nine attacked Frodo and he was stabbed with the Morgul blade. The night before, Aragorn/Strider and the Hobbits saw the lightning on Weathertop and that was Gandalf battling the Nine. So I made a mistake there.
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D**n that Jasper Ankle!
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