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Jun 12, 4:02pm


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The meaning of words is important.


And who disagreed with that?

I'm no preacher or a politician…


Subject User Time
Did he really dislike 'Allegory'? SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 2:38am
    Yes, in the context of interpreting LotR. squire Send a private message to squire Jun 6, 3:14am
        To clarify further... Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 6, 3:26am
            You have made some points but... SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 4:04am
                Bear in mind that this letter was to a Jesuit, Fr. Robert Murray, Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 6, 4:41am
                    I just don't get the apologetics here SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 5:38am
                        The problem is in the definition of "allegory". Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 6, 6:36am
                            Agreed. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Jun 6, 9:03am
                            definitions Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Jun 6, 12:15pm
                                Is this... Na Vedui Send a private message to Na Vedui Jun 10, 11:12pm
                            Perhaps a more demonstrative book... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 2:05pm
                            Read this... SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 2:14pm
                                There is a difference. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 2:29pm
                                    Semantics SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 4:17pm
                                        Nope. Definitions. / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 5:17pm
                                            Yes… SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 5:25pm
                                                About that... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 6, 7:14pm
                                                    Its not faith SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 7:20pm
                                                        Faith. Trust. Confidence. Whatever. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 6, 7:26pm
                                                            That's fine SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 7:30pm
                                                                Can't argue with belief. / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 7:55pm
                                                                    Opinions are great SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 8:00pm
                                                                        The worth of opinions depends on context. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 8:33pm
                                                                            Allegory SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 8:44pm
                                                                                "The question is",... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 8:48pm
                                                                                    Yes you can SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 8:51pm
                                                                                        Definitely "varied". Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 9:05pm
                                                                                            What is that have to do with this topic? SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 9:36pm
                                                                                                In principio erat verbum. Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 12, 3:53pm
                                                                                                    Aight SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 12, 4:02pm
                                                                                        The passage from Wikipedia BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox Jun 6, 9:12pm
                                                                                        Understanding what people mean by things dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Jun 7, 12:19am
                                                                                And if we define "allegory" as "candy".... Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 12, 1:13pm
                                                                                    mods +way+ up! // : ) lol! Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 12, 1:54pm
                                                                                    I thought allegory was a cousin of the alligator CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 12, 2:14pm
                                                                                    He DIDN'T?! BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox Jun 12, 2:18pm
                                                Try the OED. / Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Jun 6, 7:15pm
                                        You are ignoring my point re his intent in this letter. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 7, 2:15am
                                    I think the foreword is pretty clear on what Tolkien meant by 'allegory'… noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 6, 8:33pm
                                To use your definition... nandorin elf Send a private message to nandorin elf Jun 6, 4:43pm
                                    Applicability SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 5:00pm
                                        We'll have to agree to disagree on this :) // nandorin elf Send a private message to nandorin elf Jun 6, 7:36pm
                            I agree with your definition of allegory HeWhoArisesinMight Send a private message to HeWhoArisesinMight Jun 8, 12:31am
                        Because you believe it does not make it so. Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jun 8, 2:52am
    If the good Professor does say he dislikes allegory Hamfast Gamgee Send a private message to Hamfast Gamgee Jun 6, 9:43am
    I think what he didn't like was heavy preaching and moralizing. DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Jun 6, 10:13pm
        Thanks for agreeing with my position SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 6, 11:00pm
            No problem. For a man who seemed to hate allegory he sure used it a lot! DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Jun 6, 11:54pm
            Sorry for my spelling mistakes DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Jun 7, 1:01am
                What's scarier is that my autocorrect has got so inured to my Tolkien typing that autocorrects Tolkien terms INTO what I'm writing :) // noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 8, 2:08pm
    Of course it was a Catholic work dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Jun 6, 11:58pm
        'Is this a fundamentally Catholic work?', asked Pippin, staring out of it with wonder. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 8, 10:34am
            [:D], indeed. Bravo, n.W.m.! Lissuin Send a private message to Lissuin Jun 8, 11:03am
            Where's the like button when you need one? ;) // BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox Jun 8, 12:36pm
                Just write...*Mods Up*! dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Jun 9, 2:38am
                    Thanks for the tip! :) // BlackFox Send a private message to BlackFox Jun 9, 5:42pm
            ROFL!!! // CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 8, 2:52pm
            tolkien stated he disliked allegory... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 9, 2:52am
                He was also not fond of French food CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 9, 9:10am
                    "crepes?!!!!" Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 9, 5:54pm
                    He wasn't too fond of French anything squire Send a private message to squire Jun 9, 6:29pm
                        French Cheese-related early FOTR draft noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 10, 5:30pm
                But..... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Jun 9, 10:09pm
                    Here's what the professors said on allegory. Glassary Send a private message to Glassary Jun 9, 11:51pm
    Could you give specific examples of allegory in LOTR HeWhoArisesinMight Send a private message to HeWhoArisesinMight Jun 7, 11:50pm
        Words and Meanings SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 8, 4:09am
            Statements must be taken in context. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 8, 4:44am
                Dear Elizabeth SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 8, 4:57am
                    More a difference in emphasis than a lie, I think :-)// Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 8, 5:01am
                        His wording in the letter is crystal clear SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 8, 5:33am
                            "fundamentally", but not "overtly" or "explicitly" religious - Tolkien's balancing act noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 8, 10:08am
                                'Of course'... SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 8, 2:35pm
                                    'And no one can talk to a horse...' squire Send a private message to squire Jun 8, 3:40pm
                                    I'm not sure I can help you then, SaulComposer noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 8, 3:53pm
                                        I believe him SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 8, 4:21pm
                                            Then you've answered your own question. Congratulations. noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 8, 4:58pm
                                            here's why we are at an impasse FrogmortonJustice65 Send a private message to FrogmortonJustice65 Jun 9, 2:11am
                                                The Big Apple SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 9, 3:31pm
                                                    Tolkien's remark referred to his definition of allegory. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jun 10, 2:41am
                                                    I can tell you without equivocation that LotR is not an allegory.... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jun 10, 3:58am
                                                        As a classical composer, pianist, poet, and a writer I say .... SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 10, 1:30pm
                                                            I have found innumerable errors in Wiki over the years... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jun 10, 2:48pm
                                                                No one said its perfect... SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 11, 12:20am
                                                                    well... Maciliel Send a private message to Maciliel Jun 11, 12:36am
                                                                    So, let me get this straight.... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jun 11, 1:23am
                                                                        I have a different take on this SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 11, 1:37am
                                                                            One last thing, for clarity's sake.... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jun 11, 2:29am
                                Symbols vs feelings Terazed Send a private message to Terazed Jun 8, 7:26pm
                                    Crystal clear, to me at least. Thanks! CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Jun 8, 7:51pm
                                        I agree - very helpful! noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Jun 8, 8:43pm
                                            yes Terazed Send a private message to Terazed Jun 9, 2:39am
                    I agree DaughterofLaketown Send a private message to DaughterofLaketown Jun 8, 2:53pm
                        :) SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 8, 3:14pm
            Off Topic: Spelling quirk. Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 8, 3:46pm
    We really missed the opportunity EomundDaughter Send a private message to EomundDaughter Jun 8, 1:13pm
    And your point is? elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jun 11, 8:54pm
        Allegory and Specifics SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 11, 9:52pm
            Allegory - specific and general meanings Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Jun 11, 10:14pm
                You used the word 'everything' not me SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 11, 11:21pm
                    Allegory is like a box of chocolates.... Morthoron Send a private message to Morthoron Jun 12, 2:29pm
                        I gather SaulComposer Send a private message to SaulComposer Jun 12, 3:30pm

 
 
 

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