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The Children of Hurin Chapter Discussion: The Land of Bow and Helm
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CuriousG
Valinor


Jun 2 2014, 12:02pm

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cats16
Tol Eressea


Jun 15 2014, 5:54am

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A Cat is never late. [In reply to] Can't Post

Just a quick thought, so as to keep me up to date with where discussions have been the past two weeks. Catching up on everything this weekend! Last week was quick a wild ride.

Answering your last, more general question:

As others have said, Turin is taking more of a 'YOLO' approach to the situation (You Only Live Once, if anyone is unfamiliar with the acronym). Living in the present, he's not considering the larger picture (whether one means 1 or 5 years from now, or beyond his lifespan and into subsequent generations). He receives pleasure from acts that have no concrete benefit to ending the larger struggle against Morgoth--something Beleg feels within him deeper, although he never seems to consider this in such a direct way. What he's doing is working now, and he's taking some pleasure in it.

Beleg's actions and words seem to me as saying, "So what are we really out to accomplish here? What's at the end of all these days here?" He sees that Turin is drawing attention to himself, without fortifying his resources in a way that ensures their existence in the future. I wonder what would've happened if Beleg tried to take more control of their situation? Would any of the men leave Turin for him? Undoubtedly the Elves would do so.


Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Jun 15 2014, 6:45pm

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Ever hear of YODO? (No. he's not that green alien from Star Wars!) [In reply to] Can't Post

This is what I ask everyone who uses YOLO as an excuse for stupidity: 'Great! Ever hear of YODO?' 'No....' is the invariable response. Then I explain, 'Remember, You only die once too.'

Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?


Brethil
Half-elven


Jun 23 2014, 1:23am

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I like your point about Beleg and the long term goals...as an Elf he looks further ahead, maybe even the defeat of Morgoth or the fall of Arda in the distant future being a part of his expected (but not guaranteed in this hroa) life span. Yet Turin never will; his expected span of life will be this one set of actions and one very connected thread. I suppose this is almost like part of the Gift of Men, that ability to only deal with what's at hand and detach from the world's future?

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