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DaughterofLaketown
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May 28 2014, 11:08pm
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It's perfectly fine. It's funny you mention Buckingham because I have read an English history book
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In which there is a personage called Buckingham throughout the whole book, when that is only his title and not his name. This does seem to be common in England.
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Rembrethil
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May 29 2014, 2:43am
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"More dangerous and less wise."
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The feasting people were Wood-elves, of course. These are not wicked folk. If they have a fault it is distrust of strangers. Though their magic was strong, even in those days they were wary. They differed from the High Elves of the West, and were more dangerous and less wise. For most of them (together with their scattered relations in the hills and mountains) were descended from the ancient tribes that never went to Faerie in the West. There the Light-elves and the Deep-elves and the Sea-elves went and lived for ages, and grew fairer and wiser and more learned, and invented their magic and their cunning craft in the making of beautiful and marvelous things, before some came back into the Wide World. In the Wide World the Wood-elves lingered in the twilight of our Sun and Moon, but loved best the stars; and they wandered in the great forests that grew tall in lands that are now lost. They dwelt most often by the edges of the woods, from which they could escape at times to hunt, or to ride and run over the open lands by moonlight or starlight; and after the coming of Men they took ever more and more to the gloaming and the dusk. Still elves they were and remain, and that is Good People. -The Hobbit
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Silverlode
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May 29 2014, 5:38am
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What is Prince William's last name?
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I think we're a little more used to this than we think we are, it's just that sometimes we don't really think about when we're using a title rather than a surname. As it happens, the question of the royal family's name isn't a simple one.
But it might help to think of the question in other terms. Most family names in England can be traced back to either a location (Marsh, Beckham, Bradshaw) or a trade (Smith, Cooper). It just happens that the nobility weren't "in trade", and they tended to control large/multiple tracts of land, so that they acquired more place-names than the lower classes, who tended to be from one place or trade. They generally go by the title that goes with the largest/most impressive bit of land even if they have lots of others.
Darcy, btw, is also a place-origin name. Originally D'Arcy, it simply means "from Arcy". His ancestors were likely Normans, possibly some of those who came over with William the Conqueror. And he's related to titled people (Lady Catherine de Bourgh, his aunt, is the daughter of an earl), he's just from a younger son's line which didn't inherit a title. BTW, a duke wouldn't be named after a mere estate no matter how large and lovely, though a lesser peer might. A Duke would likely be called by the name of a much larger area. Duke of Derbyshire, perhaps. 
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Bracegirdle
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May 29 2014, 1:30pm
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How about Prince George D'Cambridge ? //
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IdrilLalaith
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May 30 2014, 5:35am
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Yeah, that is basically the definition of fey
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Thanks for tracking down the quote. It's interesting that The Hobbit is really one of the best sources we have regarding Silvan Elves.
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
May 30 2014, 2:15pm
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Bear in mind this is not the only, nor definitive source...
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This quote exemplifies my way understanding of the vast Corpus of text that deals with Middle-Earth. It encapsulates all of the ineffable nuances and intuitions that I have had during my reading of the many source-books. I very well could be wrong.
It is hard to come to a definitive answer regarding Tolkien's works, for the simple fact that he was always changing his own mind. I'm sure we only have received in writing, some small part of the many permutations of conception that went through the Professor's mind. Can it be frustrating? Yes! Does it irritate the completionist in me? Definitely! Would I have it any other way? No! By coming to a fixed conclusion, we effectively put a the walls of a box around our imagination, limiting the scale of the vistas we allow ourselves to breath in. I may not know what ios behind that next hill, but the unsatisfied curiosity is much better than the knowledge that it is the edge of the map.
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IdrilLalaith
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May 31 2014, 4:55am
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That's one of the most fascinating things about Middle-earth
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In some ways, it's impossible to define canon. In my mind, LotR is the only more-or-less indisputable canon source. However, had Tolkien lived another 5-10 years, it wouldn't surprise me at all if that "canon" changed from what we know it today.
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
May 31 2014, 1:49pm
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And it was all unintentional...
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We cannot credit the Professor with trying to create such a vast world that gives many infinite pleasure. He did not intend to write great fantasy, but the fact that it still came about makes me admire him more.
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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CuriousG
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Jun 1 2014, 7:41pm
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I suppose that's why it feels so authentic
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because it was heartfelt. While he certainly wanted to get published and make money, his world doesn't have the manufactured feel I get while reading many other fantasies, as in "let's throw this together and invent a few things to round it out." He seemed to project a lot of himself into every story, which was why he was always fiddling with them.
I suppose prime manufactured fantasy to me would be Narnia, whereas Le Guin's Earthsea isn't as detailed as Middle-earth, but seems equally heartfelt and internally consistent. You can't fake authenticity.
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