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Thorins Burdens and pains vs Aragorns burdens and pains

boldog
Rohan


May 9 2014, 11:22am

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Who has the biggest burden? Im going by both book lore and movie invented stuff. Lets go through each characters burdens.

Thorin:
Witnessed his hometown destroyed by Smaug,
Refused help by Thranduil
His people became homeless
Witnessed his Grandfather die, and his father go missing
Has become the king of Durins line
Responsibility of his nephews
the quest to reclaim his homeland
Vengeance upon Azog
Hunted by Azog


Aragorn:
The last decendant of Isildur
Has the choice of claiming the throne of Gondor and Arnor, the most powerful kingdoms in middle earth
Hunted by Sauron all his life
orphaned by Elrond thus never knowing his father
Love for Arwen
sworn protection of Frodo
Uniting the west


Personally i like Aragorn much more, and i think he has a lot more on his plate then Thorin

I believe that Azog and Bolg are possibly the only two orcs who may be an exception to the typical evil nature of an orc. Azog had brought up his son, well enough that he actually acknowledges him as his own son. That is a first for any orc. And Bolg sets out to march upon Erebor in vengeance of his fathers death. How many orcs will Try and avenge another dead orc? Most will just forget about the dead one. This gives me hope that Orcs, have some traits of good in them, even if it is small aspects.


Bracegirdle
Valinor


May 9 2014, 2:19pm

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Gosh, I didn't know that... [In reply to] Can't Post

Elrond killed Arathorn II.. Must be from the movie and I just don't "movie"...


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orphaned by Elrond thus never knowing his father

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Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


May 9 2014, 6:01pm

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They kind of have similar arcs... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and are both pretty arrogant (at least book Aragorn was).

Anyway, I'd say Aragorn had the bigger burden. The stakes of Aragorn's quest were simply much higher than those of Thorin's.


ltnjmy
Rivendell


May 13 2014, 7:00pm

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Elrond did not kill Aragorn's father [In reply to] Can't Post

all of the Heirs of Isildur (thus the elder line of Elendil) were fostered by Elrond in Rivendell. After the Arthedain lost the Northern kingdom and became a wandering folk as Rangers - they were fostered in their childhood by Elrond from whom they could claim direct descent. Elrond did not kill Arathorn II - he fostered his son, Aragorn II (was a substitute father...)Smile


Bracegirdle
Valinor


May 13 2014, 9:06pm

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Of course Itnjmy !!! [In reply to] Can't Post

My notation was tongue-in-cheek. Making light of the wording one could assume that Elrond killed Arathorn, thus making Aragorn an orphan which is of course ridiculous is it not?Smile
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(This post was edited by Bracegirdle on May 13 2014, 9:06pm)


Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


May 13 2014, 9:17pm

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Bwhahaha!!! Too funny! [In reply to] Can't Post

I laughed out loud!

This must be just like the 'No BOTFA Hobbit trailer with Godzilla' thread title! I love syntactic amphiboly!!

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joec_34
Rivendell


Jun 18 2014, 4:40pm

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I think it has to be Aragorn. His people aren't just homeless, their home is gone without hope of recovery, their power has dissipated (arguably more that that of the dwarves), and they are basically going extinct. While Thorin is pining for the glory days, Aragorn is fighting for his life. Aragorn's heartache over Arwen really adds a whole other layer of hurting.

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