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Sebastian the Hedgehog
Rivendell
Apr 15 2014, 12:04am
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Radagast Question
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I've seen speculations on this forum before about Radagast dying. I never understood this. Are there some hints or clues somewhere in any production videos or pictures that started this? Or is this just people thinking? I don't really think it would happen or be a good idea; it just doesn't make sense to me. So I was just wondering where this came from.
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Werde Spinner
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Apr 15 2014, 12:08am
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Apparently the one Radagast is carrying now is the one Gandalf carries in the beginning of FOTR. This has led many to believe that Radagast will die and Gandalf will pick up his staff. (I, personally, do not want Radagast to die, since I consider him the epitome of crazy awesome.)
Some have also speculated that Radagast will turn into the moth that comes to Gandalf at Orthanc...
"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"
"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."
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Sebastian the Hedgehog
Rivendell
Apr 15 2014, 12:13am
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I forgot about that.
But that is interesting about the staffs; I never noticed that before.
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Elizabeth
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Apr 15 2014, 12:38am
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The other reason (if you want to call it that)
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...is that he didn't appear in LotR. This logic also applies the Tauriel. I personally see no reason why characters in TH need to either die or appear in LotR, but some people are very literal-minded.
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Elarie
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Apr 15 2014, 1:25am
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They don't look like the same staff to me
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They both have little branches at the top, but when I put the pictures side by side they really don't appear to be the same staff.
Hop to it, Radagast, we've got dark powers to sleigh.
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Faleel
Rohan
Apr 15 2014, 1:26am
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that Gandalf had three different staffs in FOTR.
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Aitieuriskon
Lorien
Apr 15 2014, 1:42am
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This was confirmed by PBoyens (I think it was her, possibly on the AUJ EE commentary) as well as Sylvester McCoy at some point in the past.
However, just because it's the same staff doesn't mean that Radagast must die. I personally don't think he will. Plenty of folk (including the whole kingdoms of Erebor and Dale) are not mentioned in the Lord of the Rings films, yet presumably they will return to their former prosperity after the events of Taba (if we're going by the books).
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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tsmith675
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Apr 15 2014, 2:25am
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I would bet a kidney that Radagast...
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Does not die.
Our destiny lies above us.
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deskp
Lorien
Apr 15 2014, 3:17am
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And Radagast does not need his staff, after Mirkwood is cleansed of the evil in dol guldur.
Gandalf certainly needs it more right away for bo5a.
Besides he can create? another one however Gandalf does it after the orthanc incident.
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Tol Eressea
Apr 15 2014, 6:56am
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But that would ad a sense of menace to Sauron in the next Hobbit movie and the rest LOTR saga
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That he is able to kill an Istari
The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!
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Glorfindela
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Apr 15 2014, 10:54am
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I wouldn't like to see Radagast die
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Since I get the impression that he is still around at the time of LotR.
Completely unnecessary.
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Bombadil
Half-elven
Apr 15 2014, 11:31am
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Like The LONE RANGER...doesn't stay for a Thank YOU?
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"Gandalf,
I'm headed NORTH..Mount
Gundabad
needz Cleansing...
Could still be War in the North..."
His awesome Bunny sled Flyzz
over Snow!... into a
MiddleEarthy
Sunset...
Picture THAT!
YourBomby wantzz to be
Laughin' when Raddy
Leaves..the
"MovieVerse?"
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Elarie
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Apr 15 2014, 11:42am
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In the books, Radagast is stll alive in LOTR
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and during the Council of Elrond, Gandalf recounts a conversation he recently had with Radagast near Bree, about the Nazgul being abroad. Radagast acts as a messenger between Gandalf and Saruman before they know about Saruman's treachery. (Also, Radagast rides a horse - no bunny sled!)
Hop to it, Radagast, we've got dark powers to sleigh.
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Darkstone
Immortal
Apr 15 2014, 1:08pm
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...but comes back as Radagast the Beige.
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Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Imladris18
Lorien
Apr 15 2014, 1:49pm
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That is kinda out the window since our bug friend makes an appearance in AUJ.
I do, however, like the idea that Radagast is the conduit for moth/eagle communication. This can make the eagles' appearances less like a deus ex machina, too.
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Kilidoescartwheels
Valinor
Apr 15 2014, 1:51pm
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This was confirmed by PBoyens (I think it was her, possibly on the AUJ EE commentary) as well as Sylvester McCoy at some point in the past.
However, just because it's the same staff doesn't mean that Radagast must die. I personally don't think he will. Plenty of folk (including the whole kingdoms of Erebor and Dale) are not mentioned in the Lord of the Rings films, yet presumably they will return to their former prosperity after the events of Taba (if we're going by the books).
Gandalf's staff was destroyed by Sauron, so maybe Radagast gives his staff to Gandalf so he can rejoin the Dwarves. I really don't think he's going to die - but we all know who will (sniff)!
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Aitieuriskon
Lorien
Apr 15 2014, 3:30pm
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I trust we will see Radagast give Gandalf his staff upon his rescue. Perhaps while Gandalf gallops away on that horse, we will see Radagast venturing off to seek the aid of the Eagles/Beorn before the clouds burst.
"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951
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Sebastian the Hedgehog
Rivendell
Apr 15 2014, 3:35pm
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That's why I don't understand why people think he will die. I'd say it would be non-canon, but then so are a lot of things PJ has done  But killing off canon characters seems highly unlikely.
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Darkstone
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Apr 15 2014, 3:45pm
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******************************************
Brother will fight brother and both be his slayer,
brother and sister will violate all bonds of kinship;
hard it will be in the world, there will be much failure of honor,
an age of axes, an age of swords, where shields are shattered,
an age of winds, an age of wolves, where the world comes crashing down;
no man will spare another.
-From the Völuspá, 13th Century
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Rembrethil
Tol Eressea
Apr 15 2014, 4:53pm
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Yes, I don't really want to see that...
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There are quite a few things to come in TABA that might be hard for some us us to watch. So one more thing to cry over seems unnecessary...
I like to think that he gives his staff to Gandalf and that he fades into the background, supporting the effort of good for a while, then disappearing to live among his beloved animals and plants.
Call me Rem, and remember, not all who ramble are lost...Uh...where was I?
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Imladris18
Lorien
Apr 15 2014, 6:06pm
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Haldir's fate was never really drawn out past Lothlorien, though.
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Radagast is KNOWN to still be around.
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Sebastian the Hedgehog
Rivendell
Apr 15 2014, 7:00pm
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I was hoping no one would mention that :P
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It is true though. It just seems like Radagast is more of an important character? I don't really know how to say it other than that.
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