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glor
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Apr 15 2014, 6:51pm
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This was not an Empire/Times/Washington Post/Cominsoon.net/Insert relatively well regarded movie website here interview. It was an offhand comment made on a podium to a crowd outside the MTV Awards, one short sentence, it was not a spoiler, or indepth reveal...
..it's silly season on The Hobbit Boards  . That BTW is a reference to the UK summer parlimentary recess in which all the news media gets filled with anything and I mean anything, even an off hand comment, that gets blowup into news. (No offence meant by to the OP BTW). It happened last year here on TORN between the TE DVD and the EE DVD we all stagger around int he darkness grasping at anything that could potentially be a tidbit about the next film. So lets enjoy TORN's silly season one last time.
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Thranderz
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Apr 15 2014, 7:26pm
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I hadn't even thought of that!
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I also want this exact scenario to happen! 
I simply walked into Mordor.
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Salmacis81
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Apr 15 2014, 8:04pm
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Oin fought off Goblins, and took part in fighting the Trolls in AUJ...
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So he's not just a helpless medic.
But agree, Smaug's attack on Lake-town should be Bard's show. The roles of the Dwarves and Tauriel should be minimal.
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flameofudun
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Apr 15 2014, 8:33pm
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Orc versus elf, (and) Dwarf vs dragon, or was he saying it all in collection as in a 4 way battle?
''We are very dangerous over short distances''
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea
Apr 15 2014, 9:19pm
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It's as tall as he is. I personally don't see why it wouldn't work.
"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 15 2014, 9:34pm
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It's as tall as he is. I personally don't see why it wouldn't work.
It's a normal longbow, or at least a fairly normal one. What you are suggesting is like asking an archer to fire a fireplace poker.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Faleel
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Apr 15 2014, 9:39pm
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is it a length problem or a width/mass problem? if its a length problem, who says he couldn't quickly modify the Black Arrow's length to fit his bow?
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 15 2014, 9:49pm
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is it a length problem or a width/mass problem? if its a length problem, who says he couldn't quickly modify the Black Arrow's length to fit his bow?
It is the weight more than anything else. We are talking about an iron or steel ballista bolt, something that is much more massive and much more heavy than an ordinary arrow--even a war-arrow for a longbow. This is probably at least as heavy as a small crowbar.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Imladris18
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Apr 15 2014, 11:57pm
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Yeah, a black arrow fired from a longbow would go like 20 feet, lol.
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Silverlode
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Apr 16 2014, 12:18am
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it sounded to me like he was saying "Orc vs Elf" because that's the part he was involved in, and then added "and Dwarf Vs Dragon" sort of as an afterthought and acknowledgment of the main storyline of the film. He stumbled over his words slightly as he was saying it, so it didn't sound like a rehearsed comment, more like he was just trying to find a balanced way to end his comment. I'm not sure it will bear a whole lot of analysis into deeper meanings, actually.
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MechaGodzilla
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Apr 16 2014, 12:32am
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Yes, that's most likely what it is
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More like a general comment, not necessarily intended to accurately reflect any actual plot events. For all we know he doesn't even really have much of an idea what it's about, a lot of actors don't. I'm not saying that as an insult, it is after all a job first and foremost and they can't be expected to be that into the source material of every adaptation they're in.
Jeff Goldblum comes to mind, once when he spoke about his role in the Jurassic Park films and how he'd like to be in the fourth, saying something like "I had great fun slaying dinosaurs". The thing is, his character never did any slaying of any kind, obviously he just wasn't paying attention, and that probably applies to a fair few actors in these films as well.
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Avandel
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Apr 16 2014, 1:22pm
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At least for me, pathetically wandering through the Internet searching for the faintest scrap of news and getting excited when an image of a German game finally came out (LOL, now a poster on my wall). Tho I'm more wary of TABA considering its darkness
Not sure how much weight to put on what an actor might say, considering all the stuff that gets filmed and then never shows up - obviously the actors know SOMETHING, but who know what PJ is gonna do? I'm still waiting to see this talked-about "firefly" scene between Thorin and Bilbo, which sounds lovely even if it didn't fit anyplace.
"Richard Armitage’s performance has been one of the best things about the new trilogy, making you believe that a hairy dwarf, so often the comedy element of the LOTR films, can be a heroic, tortured, and dangerous badass." - Den of Geek, The Hobbit: There & Back Again, 7 Apr 2014 - 07:07
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RyaB
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Apr 16 2014, 3:39pm
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I agree that Smaug will recognise the windlance, I'm hoping for a really dramatic race, Bard to fire the windlance and Smaug to destroy it, with everything hanging on a knife edge.
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea
Apr 16 2014, 4:16pm
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Since, apparently, it wouldn't be possible for Bard to fire the Black Arrow from his longbow, your thought that there will be a race to get to the windlance works for me too. It's still exciting and still acknowledges the fact that Smaug remembers Girion.
"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
--Hillsong United
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Eruvandi
Tol Eressea
Apr 16 2014, 4:28pm
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I'm still waiting to see this talked-about "firefly" scene between Thorin and Bilbo, which sounds lovely even if it didn't fit anyplace.
What firefly scene? I haven't heard about that before.
"So I will call upon Your name
And keep my eyes above the waves
When oceans rise
My soul will rest in Your embrace
For I am Yours and You are mine"
--Hillsong United
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Avandel
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Apr 16 2014, 6:27pm
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Oh, supposedly Thorin and Bilbo had a scene - or a planned scene - where during their time at Rivendell Thorin explains to Bilbo what it was like to grow up in Erebor - that when he was young he would look up in Erebor and there would be these fireflies (like stars) way up in the ceiling, and Thorin would look up and see them.
There was some discussion of this way back on TORn - that this was cut as it wouldn't make sense to have the untrusting Thorin be that open with Bilbo that soon, that Thorin wouldn't open up that way to an insignificant hobbit that he didn't really want on the journey anyway. But I could have seen it happening, Thorin maybe being tired or having too much wine, having an unguarded moment, and to me it would have made sense that the hobbit would have asked about Erebor at some point (I mean, if I found out I was traveling with an exiled king, I'd ask some questions).
And it sounded lovely *wistful*. I wish I could see it, if it was really filmed (I think RA talked about it in an article). I don't care if it "fits" or not.
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Cirashala
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Apr 19 2014, 4:41am
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and made of a lightweight metal, in theory it could work, if he did a reverse pull.
I'm an archer (not ME good, but still an archer) and I think he could feasibly at least draw it back far enough. So whether or not it would fly and fly straight would depend on the weight of the arrow itself. And most arrows (at least modern ones) are hollow anyway- so a hollow metal arrow could work if made with a lightweight metal.
As for the bow- it would have to have a very HIGH draw weight, otherwise the arrow wouldn't get enough force to push off. But longbows can go as high as 100-125 pound draw weight, if not higher depending on the wood it's made out of.
Check out this vid- it will give some great insights into arrow/bow dynamics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWCN7HId-b8
In case it doesn't work (youtube links don't work sometimes) look up lindybeige some points about arrows
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 19 2014, 12:14pm
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The windlance is essentially a fancy ballista--a siege weapon. The heavy arrows or bolts that were used in ballista were typically about 4 kilograms (almost 9 pounds) in mass, and 1.2 to 1.7 meters (4 to 6 feet) in length.* A longbow for a tall man would need arrows of about 4 feet in length, but those would be considerably lighter than a ballista bolt. Actually, the arrow for the windlance looks a bit shorter than a typical bolt and might be too short for a proper draw from a longbow.
* Data taken from The Compendium of Weapons, Armour & Castles by Matthew Balent (1991; Palladium Books).
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Cirashala
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Apr 21 2014, 12:52am
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I thought the black arrow was actually taller than Bard (or nearly as tall?)
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Otaku-sempai
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Apr 21 2014, 2:08pm
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I thought the black arrow was actually taller than Bard (or nearly as tall?)
Not that I recall. I'm not sure that the bolt is much over a meter long, but I've had trouble finding a good screengrab of Bard holding it.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Apr 21 2014, 2:44pm
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Yeah I don't think it's that tall.
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Bard gives it to his son Bain, who seems to handle it with ease, from what I remember. So it must be shorter than Bain. I'd also say about a meter long.
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