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Saurman the strategist, and Tolkien the wargamer

noWizardme
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Apr 6, 8:23am


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It's an interesting question whether Saruman could hope to finish his war (or indeed why he feels he needs to start it right now). One can always blame his increasing insanity, due to regular brainwashing with his palantir, or his increasingly unbalanced wish to get the Ring (or any other explanation for him being increasingly bonkers)!

I think Tolkien is, and is not, interested in wargaming - there are several battles which are lovingly crafted in such a way that 'realistic' military factors can get an exciting ebb and flow of our heroes fortunes. He does seem to feel it's important to describe the lay of the land where the opposing forces start and so on. I don't think it's exclusively a 'late Tolkien' phenomenon. The battle of the Five Armies in The Hobbit, with it's ambush and serial outflankings, is one of his best, from a wargamers point of view. But then, The Eagles tend to appear to settle things (or at least, to demonstrate how things are about to be settled on the basis of moral superiority, as Squire says). So 'it's not all down to 'realism' other story needs are served.

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"… ever let your aim be to come at truth, not to conquer your opponent. So you never shall be at a loss in losing the argument, and gaining a new discovery.”
Arthur Martine

"nowimë I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

Subject User Time
**UT – The Battles of the Fords of Isen** 4. “The Fords were small protection without Isengard and still less against it.” squire Send a private message to squire Mar 23, 1:14pm
    Where is everyone, in Enedwaith? noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 23, 4:54pm
        Yes, that is one thing which has always struck me...... elaen32 Send a private message to elaen32 Mar 23, 7:24pm
        Could it be a subtle magic enacted by Saruman? sevilodorf Send a private message to sevilodorf Mar 25, 1:35pm
    M... why did Saruman bother with his bridge to get his armies to the eastern bank? Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Mar 23, 7:10pm
    O. If Rohan could keep a strong force in the area, why couldn’t it besiege the fortress? Meneldor Send a private message to Meneldor Mar 23, 7:18pm
        That makes great sense. Rembrethil Send a private message to Rembrethil Mar 23, 7:23pm
            The cavalry noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Mar 23, 9:45pm
    The deforestation would have been the likely cause. DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Mar 24, 12:11pm
    Late is the time in which this conjurer shows up. sador Send a private message to sador Mar 27, 11:50am
    "Why Don't We Just Wade Across the River, General Saruman?" Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Apr 1, 9:05pm
    Saruman, no warlord Felagund Send a private message to Felagund Apr 3, 10:50pm
        Great thoughts squire Send a private message to squire Apr 3, 11:06pm
            Saurman the strategist, and Tolkien the wargamer noWizardme Send a private message to noWizardme Apr 6, 8:23am

 
 
 

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