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Harold.of.Whoa
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Mar 21 2014, 3:52am
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Question about fencing
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In FotR, shortly before the Fellowship are overflown by the Crebain from Dunland, Boromir is teaching Pippin and Merry how to fight with a sword. As they run through the drill, Boromir says "Two, one, five" in conjunction with each move. Does anyone know what this refers to? Are these parry positions or something that correlates to modern fencing or other martial arts?
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Ataahua
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Mar 21 2014, 4:36am
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71YHr-v9vSE I'll also ask Hengist, who has some skill with a blade, to pop by.
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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Starling
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Mar 21 2014, 4:55am
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I got the wrong end of the stick. This can happen when you come from a farm background.
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Hengist
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Mar 21 2014, 9:52am
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The numbers are the postion of the parry, though quite often in fencing we use the french terms. This pic shows the positions reasonably well http://orgs.utulsa.edu/tufencing/images/parry.jpg
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Misto
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Mar 21 2014, 1:33pm
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You confused me for a moment with that picture
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Because I clearly remember our trainer replying to particularly sassy students with "You know how to do a quint, don't you?" Which translated to "you'd better get your arm up quick or I'll beat your head with whatever is at hand" (usually a rolled-up newspaper or something of that kind). So "5" is very firmly set in my memory as the parry that covers your head... but then I remembered the trainer was first and foremost into sabre.
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Harold.of.Whoa
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Mar 21 2014, 1:44pm
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involuntarily yelling "Move you feet!" during that video.
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Harold.of.Whoa
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Mar 21 2014, 1:55pm
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That has been one of those tiny nagging questions in the back of my mind for years. At first I wondered if he might be referring to clock positions, but that didn't make sense. I wish I had asked sooner.
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Hengist
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Mar 21 2014, 3:05pm
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is raised to protect the head, and on the pic that 5 is a little low but it does depend on the weapon.
" So let me get this straight. You want to fly on a magic carpet to see the King of the Potato People and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane? "
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Ataahua
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Mar 21 2014, 6:40pm
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Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..." Dwarves: "Pretty rings..." Men: "Pretty rings..." Sauron: "Mine's better." "Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak. Ataahua's stories
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Meneldor
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Mar 21 2014, 6:50pm
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Unless you've studied your Agrippa. Which I have.
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Hengist's picture shows the common numbered parries used in modern foil fencing. There are other numbering systems used in other fencing styles, so if those numbers don't match up with the positions the hobbits take onscreen, that doesn't mean they're wrong, it just means they're learning a different style. I'm partial to the 14th century Italian longsword style of Fiore, who uses descriptive names instead of numbers. Since the infinitesimal amount of Italian I learned while studying Fiore is woefully rusty, I'll just tell you that some of the English translations are: complete iron gate, middle iron gate, boar's tooth, long tail, short guard, long guard, woman's guard (left and right), window (left and right), and crown.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
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