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living like moths

Elthir
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Mar 14, 5:26pm


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Yes quickly, and that is in step with the metaphor, but I should add that the fuller essay deals with the fact that [in this essay anyway] I Valian Year = 144 Sun Years.

So say you live in Aman, and you are a mortal, but now it's not simply comparison to the Elves that makes you feel like you are a relatively swift being, it's your whole environment. Growth and change -- again effects of time but not time itself -- are not the same in all places; as was essentially said, if I recall correctly, by Legolas, about Lothlorien after the Fellowship leaves the realm...

... so let's say you are 20 years old in Aman and you get a puppy. That little beastie is not even going to grow the worth of 'one year' before you are dead, because a relative 'year' of growth and change for it [as a beast of Aman] takes 144 years in Aman. A sapling tree will also not grow more than one year of its expected growth [in Middle-earth], before you are dead...

... you are indeed a relatively quickly dying thing in Aman, like a moth too near a flame, even though you might live to be 100. The Valar cannot alter your span.

But this is not the scenario for Frodo, Bilbo and Sam in any case. They have already lived much of ther lives in mortal lands [and Frodo has special circumstances of pain and regret], they weren't born in Aman, and they do not desire the Elvish 'immortality'.


(This post was edited by Elthir on Mar 14, 5:37pm)

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                    Light in Aman dreamflower Send a private message to dreamflower Mar 14, 2:04pm
                        living like moths Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Mar 14, 5:26pm

 
 
 

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