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I Hope They Do Not Use Lord Elrond as a Side Character in Dol Guldur

Girdle of Melian
Lorien

Feb 14 2014, 10:17am

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Presuming he is coming, that is.

Even though he is featured many times throughout the LOTR and Hobbit series, the one thing he did that was really powerful was robbed off him when Arwen enchanted the river instead of him.

I sincerely hope he is not just relegated to just a captain of the guards role amongst the presence of Galadriel and Saruman, though they are more powerful than him.

GOM


Shirriff Anthony
Bree


Feb 14 2014, 1:37pm

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Ever since he was shown at the Black Gates in the FOTR prologue, I've really wanted to see him in action.

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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Feb 14 2014, 2:24pm

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Does Lord Elrond take part? [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien, in the book, suggests that Elrond remained in Rivendell when the Necromancer was driven from Southern Mirkwood; on the other hand, he didn't have a clear idea yet of the composition of the White Council, simply describing it as "a council of white wizards."

I remember a sequence, fairly early in production, that showed Gandalf and Elrond together in either Dol Guldur or the High Fells (can anyone clarify this?). So, Elrond might take part in the attack on Dol Guldur after all. If he does then he will likely function as the war-leader of the Council and command any troops that accompanied it (possibly his sons, other members of his household, a contingent of Rangers, etc.).

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Feb 14 2014, 2:26pm)


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Feb 14 2014, 3:08pm

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In canon, Elrond probably does not take part... [In reply to] Can't Post

...considering that Gandalf had to fill him in on what went down in Dol Guldur.

But at this point, I don't think we can go by the books when predicting what Jackson is going to do in these films. Following Tolkien canon is obviously not one of Jackson's priorities, unfortunately.


Escapist
Gondor


Feb 14 2014, 11:52pm

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If Galadriel, Gandalf, and Saruman are all there then Elrond should be there too. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


KingTurgon
Rohan


Feb 15 2014, 1:54am

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Pretty sure Tolkien hadn't figured out what he wanted the White Council to be at the time he wrote the Hobbit. My bet is he was there.


Thranderz
Rohan


Feb 15 2014, 12:39pm

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unfortunately here. I think having Elrond there would be pretty cool. Smile

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Ersatz
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Feb 15 2014, 6:20pm

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Do you remember his incredible armor? (seen in the first movie). I can't believe PJ & Weta Workshop have created this masterpiece for nothing.

http://henryherz.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/elrond.jpg
Breathtaking.

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Arandir
Gondor


Feb 15 2014, 6:42pm

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Yes you are right re: Elrond at Dol Guldur [In reply to] Can't Post

In the Empire magazine August 2011 issue, the author of the article had written that whilst on set, both Ian McKellen and Hugo Weaving were to shoot some scenes which sees Gandalf and Elrond exploring the dungeons of Dol Guldur.

Whether this was to form part of The Desolation of Smaug sequence (before Gandalf is captured) and Elrond didn't make the cut, is uncertain.

Perhaps, they can always insert this "exploration sequence" someway or other either during or after the attack on Dol Guldur ...

There is still hope Wink

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Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Feb 15 2014, 9:41pm

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It would indeed be nice to see Elrond in action, but I am not certain the armor from this photo is any indication that he'll feature in the battle at Dol Guldur.

As you recall, this is the outfit he is wearing upon his return from hunting the orc party south of Rivendell, when he surprises the company on horseback. So I dunno if we'll have the opportunity to see it again Unsure

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Werde Spinner
Rohan


Feb 16 2014, 5:53am

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As long as we get to see Elrond in armor, I'm all for him appearing at Dol Guldur. Laugh Cool

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"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


Salmacis81
Tol Eressea


Feb 17 2014, 1:29am

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If Elrond was meant to be there... [In reply to] Can't Post

..then Tolkien would have included it in the amended text instead of having Gandalf explain the situation to him after the fact.


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Pretty sure Tolkien hadn't figured out what he wanted the White Council to be at the time he wrote the Hobbit. My bet is he was there.


All well and good, but we can only speculate based on what was actually written, not on what we think could have been written.

With that said, I would be fine with Elrond taking part in the assault on Dol Guldur.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Feb 17 2014, 3:20am

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If we ignore the fact that Tolkien had not solidified the composition of the White Council at the time he wrote The Hobbit, we could come up with one or two in-story explanations for what Gandalf said to Elrond in Rivendell:

1. Elrond remained in Rivendell in case Sauron moved against it before the Council could act. Or, perhaps he just wanted to keep his Ring far from Dol Guldur.

2. Elrond was at Dol Guldur, but he and Gandalf engaged in double-talk because of Bilbo's presence. The hobbit did not need to know that Elrond was part of the White Council.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Ersatz
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Feb 17 2014, 10:03pm

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I'm pretty sure Elrond will fight at some point.
Ok, I have no real proof/evidence, but the fight (Sauron - Gandalf) was even less likely to see Elrond fight after all!

Bad english is bad.
(English is not my native language)

 
 

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