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Night Wolf
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Feb 16, 12:45pm


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There is no published evidence, that J.R.R. Tolkien ever considered Smaug to be anything other than an independent actor in Middle-earth’s conflicts. However there is this one passage in “Durin’s Folk”, published in The Lord of the Rings.

"Among many cares he was troubled in mind by the perilous state of the North; because he knew then already that Sauron was plotting war, and intended, as soon as he felt strong enough, to attack Rivendell. But to resist any attempt from the East to regain the lands of Angmar and the northern passes in the mountains there were now only the Dwarves of the Iron Hills. And beyond them lay the desolation of the Dragon. The Dragon, Sauron might use with terrible effect. How then could the end of Smaug be achieved."

This seems to confirm Ronald's idea that Sauron, could use a dragon 'to great effect', such as his predecessor Morgoth had done before. It's vague though.

Michael Martinez wrote an essay years ago, located at the Middle-Earth role playing website (MERP). It's called the Sauron Strategies. It's written very, very well. I'll append an excerpt here.

Maybe it will lend an insight in the interest to this back story. Personally, I don't know how Smaug could possibly know, that Sauron had an interest in him. The movie seems to indicate our favorite dragon knew of Sauron's ring in Bilbo's possession, implicitly. Maybe it was a sense of the 'darkness' vs. 'step into the light' conflict; which the dragon implicitly understood.

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(from Martinez)

By 2941, Sauron was probably convinced the One Ring was no longer in the region of the Gladden Fields.

The White Council moved against him and he retreated from Dol Guldur. Mirkwood is said to have become a cleaner, more wholesome place for a time. Such a transition implies that Sauron did not simply retreat from Dol Guldur. It suggests that there was a wholesale migration eastward of Orcs, Men, and whatever other creatures were directly under his control. While some people argue that the White Council's action may have consisted of some sort of magical attack, it is more likely that Lothlorien sent an army into Mirkwood. The Istari and the Lords of the Eldar may have challenged the Necromancer's sorcerous power directly, but Sauron pulled back and thereby preserved a great part of his forces.

The retreat suggests that Sauron was no longer willing to risk his primary armies in open combat, or to allow them to act by proxy. On the other hand, in the north, Bolg (son of Azog) launched a campaign against the small company of Dwarves, led by Thorin Thrain's son, who returned to Erebor. After the death of Smaug, Elves, Men, Dwarves, and Orcs all converged on the mountain to seize the treasure which Smaug had guarded there for 170 years. Was Bolg acting on Sauron's orders, or had Sauron lost control over the Orcs of the Misty Mountains? If Sauron approved of or permitted Bolg to launch the attack, then he allowed considerable resources to be committed to an action which might have secured a base in the north Sauron could use against Thranduil. But it also left Sauron without close support from the Misty Mountains. Had Bolg gained control over Erebor, Sauron would have been in a position to crush Thranduil and bring reinforcements against Lothlorien without hindrance. But when Bolg drew off the Orc armies, Lothlorien had a window of opportunity in which to take action.

If Bolg was therefore to be Sauron's proxy in the north, Sauron would himself be able to return to Mordor with all the forces of Dol Guldur. Instead of spreading his resources across three major bases (Mordor, Dol Guldur, and Erebor), Sauron could have consolidated his strength in two very defensible regions, both of which could be easily reinforced and resupplied from the east. Hence, because he had not risked everything, Bolg's defeat at Erebor only delayed Sauron's plans. Tolkien says that three-quarters of the Orcs of the north perished in the Battle of Five Armies. It would require several decades for them to recover their numbers. In the meantime, as the Northmen rebuilt the Kingdom of Dale and the Longbeard Dwarves rebuilt the Kingdom of Erebor, Sauron returned to Mordor.

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(This post was edited by Night Wolf on Feb 16, 12:56pm)

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Confirmation of Sauron/Smaug alliance? Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Feb 13, 4:50am
    Or is Smaug actually Sauron? stoutfiles Send a private message to stoutfiles Feb 13, 5:21am
        How does Smaug know Annatar598 Send a private message to Annatar598 Feb 13, 6:00am
            Prior knowledge Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 13, 6:24pm
    I'm intrigued. Wauntaun Send a private message to Wauntaun Feb 13, 7:58am
    Why couldn't they keep Sauron's involvement with Smaug as a "what if?" scenario like it was in the book? Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Feb 13, 4:48pm
        Someone's got a case of Prequelitis!// sauget.diblosio Send a private message to sauget.diblosio Feb 13, 5:24pm
        Imho... Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Feb 14, 9:52am
            Bridge Movie plot Night Wolf Feb 16, 12:45pm
    The Ring may answer to Sauron alone ;) Loresilme Send a private message to Loresilme Feb 13, 7:09pm
    where it will lead Hamfast of Gamwich Send a private message to Hamfast of Gamwich Feb 13, 7:18pm
        What were Sauron's orders to the Orcs he mobilized? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 13, 8:58pm
            It's Implied but DemoElite Send a private message to DemoElite Feb 14, 3:05am
                Exactly! Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Feb 14, 4:21am

 
 
 

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