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Arwen's daughter
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Jan 17 2014, 9:24pm
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Screencap of the Day: Black Riders on Wings!
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You can find the full-size 'cap HERE.
I chose this screencap out of all the different siege 'caps because I really liked the mash-up of CGI and real elements that are used throughout the siege.
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Elutherian
Rohan
Jan 17 2014, 11:21pm
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One of the most memorable moments from the film for me....
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.... After seeing it in the theater anyways, was the image of the Nazgul descending on Minas Tirith. It was beyond epic.
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simplyaven
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Jan 17 2014, 11:26pm
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for me actually. I've always found the Wraiths on horses far more creepy. Don't know why, considering I love horses and am a long time horseback rider... Or may be because of that when I saw the horses with the wounds it really gave me the shivers... Yes, I guess because of that, because of what had been done to the horses and what they had been turned into... On the flying beasts the Wraiths just lost this impact for me. Otherwise the artistic and technical work was magnificent during the whole siege, in my opinion.
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Rohan
Jan 18 2014, 5:16pm
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but the overall direction of the Nazgul was not done well. Weather they were on horses or Fell beasts they always looked epic though. The creepy feel in the first film faded as soon as Aragorn repelled them all at ease, so they made no sense when they returned and were even able to break Gandalf's staff. I did not like some of the decisions done with these guys, but the look of them on wings is undeniably cool looking.
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Meneldor
Valinor
Jan 18 2014, 5:42pm
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What I noticed watching this on the bigscreen
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was that the flying looked real. After 20 years in aviation, I notice when CGI or models don't "fly" realistically. I suspect the animators studied films of large birds in flight to guide them as they created the movements of the fell beasts in the air.
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Jan 18 2014, 5:45pm
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everybody in the cinema ducking as the Nazgul first swoop over. The sound system really made it sound like they were swooping down on the auditorium from behind! I too like the composition of the different elements and thought they looked pretty cool. The score was also amazing here. My only slight complaint was that the Fell Beasts picked up so many Gondorian soldiers from the wall, dropping them to their deaths, that there wouldn't have been many left- a bit of typical PJ I guess!
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Jan 18 2014, 8:09pm
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Speaking of picking up Gondorian soldiers
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Now that's an interesting post title...
I always look out for the soldier who is grabbed and dropped, and then kind of bounces off a roof below. It's a bit yucky but I can't help looking out for that moment.
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Rohan
Jan 19 2014, 12:43pm
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It has something to do with the fact that the wraiths on horses is more grounded than wraiths on wings. The closeness is there and so is the heightened sense of fear. And worse than Nazgul on horses would be Nazgul on foot!
Although I find that around ROTK, the Nazgul felt a little cartoony. The Witch king even on foot wasn't as scary as the first black rider or even the group that assembled on weathertop. Maybe it's the lighting or whatever.
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Jan 20 2014, 1:44am
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I totally agree. And to me the most frightening were the scenec in FOTR. Also, when the wraith was asking for "Beggins" on the way to the Shire or the chase of the hobbits to the bridge in the woods... Brrr. still gives me the shivers. I'm with you, in ROTK I found them very much cartoon - like. Even Wiki's lines sounded a bit over dramatic to me. Deaaaath, die nowwww. LOL
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Rohan
Jan 20 2014, 2:13am
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Haha the WK wasn't scary at all
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I love what we got and it's the greates battle ever made. But as fan fic I would add a scene of the nazguls dismounting from the fell beasts at night and terrorizing the streets of Mina's Tirith. This could highlight the citizens of the city and their part in the war.
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Jan 20 2014, 5:21pm
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that I remember they showcased at the Oscars for one the RotK's nominations (unless I'm remembering wrong). This was before I'd even seen the movies. I had probably just finished reading The Hobbit at the time. 
It's one of those shots I remember making me think "Wow, what's this all about?" 
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Jan 20 2014, 9:44pm
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It's what you call an A-10 moment:
Pure awesomeness!
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Meneldor
Valinor
Jan 20 2014, 9:55pm
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In WW2, a Stuka pilot named Hans Rudel flew more combat missions than anyone ever, over 2,000 IIRC, and he survived the war. In the 1970s the Fairchild company was designing the A-10 for the same mission that the Stuka was designed for, and the designers interviewed Rudel to get his input on what made a good ground attack plane.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread topic.
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squire
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Jan 20 2014, 11:37pm
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Do not attempt to return to topic; we control your thread...
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I'd never heard that story before. Looking into it, as far as I can tell the source is Coram's 2004 book on fighter ace John Boyd. It recounts an anecdote about how Pierre Sprey, the lead developer of the A-10 at the Pentagon, "insisted that everyone on the project read Stuka Pilot, Rudel's wartime biography that told how he flew 2530 missions and destroyed 511 tanks." (Coram, p. 235)
Do you know more about whether it was at Fairchild (the eventual contractor), or at the Pentagon during the spec-writing phase, that someone actually interviewed Rudel, or is it as this account has it, that they just read his book?
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Meneldor
Valinor
Jan 20 2014, 11:54pm
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To the best of my recollection,
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there was an article on the A-10 in a magazine that mentioned Fairchild personnel interviewing Rudel. I read a lot of aviation magazines, so the details are lost in the mists of time.
I read a book about Col Boyd; I think it was titled The Fighter Pilot Who Changed Warfare (?). That was recommended reading for my martial arts group (which focused on 14th century Italian longswords). Boyd's decision loop system has applications in all types of conflict.
They that go down to the sea in ships, that do business in great waters; These see the works of the Lord, and His wonders in the deep.
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Valinor
Jan 22 2014, 10:55am
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Works for the fear element too
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I still remember how my mother used to get creeped out by the sound of sirens even long after the war was over. I can really empathise with the horrible, creeping fear the Gondorians felt when they sensed the Nazgul overhead. Tolkien's first readers would have known exactly what it's like to live with the fear of air raids.
They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
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