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Altaira
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Jan 7 2014, 10:01pm

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It seems like some clarification is needed about spoiler tags now that DOS is out just about everywhere in the world, and TABA is almost a year away.

As of now:

1) spoiler tags are no longer needed for threads and posts about DOS.

2) we ask that you use spoiler tags for anything that is almost certainly going to be in (or not in) TABA that is real news, i.e., it came from interviews with PJ, WB, actors, etc.. Spoiler tags are not required on posts that contain your own speculation about what *might* be in TABA, only on things that are 100% confirmed or seem to be very likely rumors. Obviously, with TABA months away, genuine spoilers will be few and far between right now. A month or so before TABA opens, genuine spoilers will be everywhere. About that time, we'll re-post the announcement to consider avoiding the Hobbit board for those who want to remain spoiler-free.

3) spoiler tags for book spoilers are not required. The reality is that most of us who post here have read The Hobbit and want to discuss major plot points from the book that may or may not be in the movies. Requiring book spoiler tags would mean putting spoiler tags on almost every post, which isn't very practical. This isn't meant to exclude anyone who hasn't read the book! You're more than welcome here! However, if you haven't read the book, you *are* going to see book spoilers on this board, so each of you has to make your own decision as to whether you can live with that.

I'll sticky this post later today. Please post any questions in this thread and we'll try to answer them.

Thanks! Smile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





(This post was edited by Altaira on Jan 7 2014, 10:02pm)


Rowan Greene
Lorien


Jan 7 2014, 10:47pm

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Thank you.... [In reply to] Can't Post

 



Rickster
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Jan 7 2014, 11:54pm

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The books [In reply to] Can't Post

Like many, I have not read the books, nor will I ever do so.
The movies are great on their own.
but thanks for this post. wise words


burgahobbit
Rohan


Jan 8 2014, 1:46am

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Book spoilers [In reply to] Can't Post

I understand why a spoiler tag is not necessary for book spoilers; that does make a lot of sense. However, there is one (or I suppose it could be three) HUGE spoiler(s) that I really think should include warning tags when posted. Namely (look away now if you don't want book spoilers), the deaths of three main characters in the battle of five armies. For non book-fans like Rickster, this is a much bigger spoiler than anything that Peter Jackson will mention in an interview.


I respectfully note that the mods make the decisions, and as I said I agree with them that books spoilers do not need a spoiler tag here, but I just wanted to point out that this spoiler is a little different than something like "Dain and the Iron Hill dwarves travel to Erebor" so with out further ado, I will let the mods decide whether some book spoilers need a tag or not.


Silverlode
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Jan 8 2014, 3:04am

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The book has been out a long time. [In reply to] Can't Post

It was published in 1937, and is available in many languages and formats including audiobook. It's been a well-known book for literally generations now and is an easy read. This means that it's an individual's deliberate choice not to read the book before seeing the movie and the consequences of that choice belong to the individual, not to everyone else.

If you have not read the book and do not want to know about the story, any Tolkien-themed website is a story-spoiler minefield you enter at your own risk. It's not reasonable to put restrictions on 95% (or more) of the fanbase for the protection of a few who don't want to know but want to haunt spoiler-heavy websites like TORN anyway - it would be a lot like going on a Titanic movie website and demanding they spoiler-tag every reference to icebergs or the fact that the boat sinks. The movie-only love story would be a spoiler, the historical facts would not.

People may still put warnings on their posts or keep story spoilers out of subject lines as a courtesy if they wish to, and many of our members are thoughtful about that, but we're not going to enforce a book-spoiler policy or have people complaining every time someone else talks about something that's common knowledge to every reader.

Silverlode

"Dark is the water of Kheled-zâram, and cold are the springs of Kibil-nâla, and fair were the many-pillared halls of Khazad-dűm in Elder Days before the fall of mighty kings beneath the stone."



Altaira
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Jan 8 2014, 4:02am

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It's precisely due to those types of things [In reply to] Can't Post

..like the deaths of major characters, that people who haven't read the book need to decide for themselves whether they're 'safe' here or not. Those big events from the book are precisely the kinds of things people who have read the book are going to want to talk about. As Silverlode said, some users use spoiler tags for those big events out of courtesy, but even *with* spoiler tags it's not difficult to figure out what people are talking about.

If I had never read the Harry Potter books, and went and hung out on sites devoted to talking about future Harry Potter movies based on the books, I would 100% expect that I was going to read some book/movie spoilers. It just goes with the territory. Again, not saying people who haven't read the books aren't welcome here, because they are; they offer a unique perspective that's refreshing and that we all can learn from. But they have to come to terms with the fact that, by the time TABA opens, they'll pretty much know exactly what happens in the book and they need to decide whether or not they're okay with that.


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase





DanielLB
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Jan 8 2014, 7:55am

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No book or movie (just TABA?) spoilers in subject titles either.

Thanks team.

Smile



Altaira
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Jan 8 2014, 4:19pm

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Book spoilers don't require special treatment [In reply to] Can't Post

I see where you're coming from regarding the weekly Hobbit board thread on Main. If a book spoiler gets into someone's subject line, just edit it out in your summary and include your usual spoiler warning. While it might be a small courtesy to keep book spoilers out of subject lines, we just can't require it as a hard and fast rule for all the reasons Silverlode and I gave above.

You're resourceful. If they crop up, I'm sure you'll find a creative way to handle them. Smile


Koru: Maori symbol representing a fern frond as it opens. The koru reaches towards the light, striving for perfection, encouraging new, positive beginnings.



"Life can't be all work and no TORn" -- jflower

"I take a moment to fervently hope that the camaradarie and just plain old fun I found at TORn will never end" -- LOTR_nutcase




 
 

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