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The Eyes of the Dragons, from Glaurung to movie Smaug, and a little nod to Ancient Elder Days

AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Dec 20 2013, 10:17pm

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Smaug fixes his eye on where he believes Bilbo to be. Bilbo gazes in... and is compelled into taking off his Ring. I know in the text it was just the voice of the Dragon that lured him to consider this, but I actually really enjoyed the way the film handled it. It hearkened greatly to Glaurung, whose eyes cast malovelnt spells and enforced his will on those less than himself.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Dec 20 2013, 10:28pm

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Indeed! [In reply to] Can't Post

I couldn't say it any better myself.

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Dec 20 2013, 10:31pm

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Magnificent [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile I consider it high praise. Glad you enjoyed.

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I couldn't say it any better myself.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Fili
Lorien


Dec 20 2013, 10:51pm

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Awesome Connection [In reply to] Can't Post

I had fixated on the voice of Smaug an its reverberation, but you are absolutely right!

Thank goodness Bilbo had enough sense not to reveal his true name.

“So comes snow after fire, and even dragons have their endings.”


QuackingTroll
Valinor


Dec 20 2013, 11:05pm

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I made the same connection! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love the idea of a Children of Hurin film starting with the scene of Glaurung dying and zooming into his eye and telling it all as a flashback. I'm fascinated by the false truths seen in dragon's eyes, so I immediately thought of this when I saw the effect of Smaug's eye.


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Retro315
Rivendell

Dec 20 2013, 11:12pm

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Smaug is second only to Glaurung for me (although, evolution-wise, superior in the flight-category!). There'll always be the mention of Ancalagon the Black, but that character was brought out for all of about a paragraph, for the express purpose of being smote. There was no hoard or underground kingdom usurped or legendary stories of the heroes, or underdogs who had personal dealings with Ancalagon.

So any Glaurung-ness from Smaug is such a welcome addition. Weirdness, hypnotism, insight, knowing things he shouldn't ... stupendous.


AncalagontheBlack
Rohan

Dec 21 2013, 12:18am

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Beast of Gondolin [In reply to] Can't Post

Wasn't there one referred to as the Beast of Gondolin that was monstrous in size and rode by Balrogs during the fall of Gondolin? That one always seemed impressive by description.


Brethil
Half-elven


Dec 21 2013, 12:25am

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Yes - the Mirror of the Dragon's Eye! [In reply to] Can't Post


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I love the idea of a Children of Hurin film starting with the scene of Glaurung dying and zooming into his eye and telling it all as a flashback. I'm fascinated by the false truths seen in dragon's eyes, so I immediately thought of this when I saw the effect of Smaug's eye.
Like the opposite force of Galadriel's Mirror - it finds weakness, and shows the darkest outcome and twists the truth, versus showing merely what may be.
Great connection here, AO! Angelic



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morgoth834
Bree


Dec 21 2013, 12:30am

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Very cool [In reply to] Can't Post


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Smaug fixes his eye on where he believes Bilbo to be. Bilbo gazes in... and is compelled into taking off his Ring. I know in the text it was just the voice of the Dragon that lured him to consider this, but I actually really enjoyed the way the film handled it. It hearkened greatly to Glaurung, whose eyes cast malovelnt spells and enforced his will on those less than himself.


Hah. Awesome I didn't even notice that.

I kill where I wish and none dare resist.


AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Dec 21 2013, 1:12am

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Thanks! I've been reading Children of Hurin of late, and that, almost identical to [In reply to] Can't Post

its relaying in The Silmarillion, segues perfectly, though it came to mind the first time I saw it in the movie.

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I love the idea of a Children of Hurin film starting with the scene of Glaurung dying and zooming into his eye and telling it all as a flashback. I'm fascinated by the false truths seen in dragon's eyes, so I immediately thought of this when I saw the effect of Smaug's eye.
Like the opposite force of Galadriel's Mirror - it finds weakness, and shows the darkest outcome and twists the truth, versus showing merely what may be.
Great connection here, AO! Angelic




"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Dec 21 2013, 1:36am

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I LOLed a bit at this!! Totally quotable!! [In reply to] Can't Post


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...Ancalagon the Black, but that character was brought out for all of about a paragraph, for the express purpose of being smote. (My Emphasis)


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