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Color grading

Dipling
Rivendell

Dec 4 2013, 8:40am

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A question:
Will Peter Jackson "correct" color grading in AUJ for the trilogy release?
What do you think?

As he stated:
“Last year, there was a lot of focus on the frame rate, and the technology drove a lot of the reviews,” Jackson acknowledged.

Jackson said he spent a lot of time working on the color grading, trying to tone down the high-definition look. “I think it wasn’t just the frame rate; it was the high-definition look of the cameras that was a contributing factor. So I softened it up this year. And I think we’ve got a look now that feels quite nice.”


Annatar598
Rohan

Dec 4 2013, 9:43am

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The new look is great! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love it. I believe Dol Guldur was meant to look very blueish from the first AUJ trailers.

The new sickly green works perfectly well.

Not to mention several action shots look less cartoonish than they did in the first DOS trailer. Thranduil's Hall especially looks fantastically realistic.


starlesswinter
Lorien

Dec 4 2013, 9:44am

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A definite improvement [In reply to] Can't Post

AUJ's rainbow, oversaturated look was a detriment to the film, in my opinion. DOS looks much better and more atmospheric.


deskp
Lorien


Dec 4 2013, 9:47am

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If this indeed is seomthign he has relaised now, i do hope the corrects/improves the first film aswell.

But I also hope wahtever it is he does he keeps in mind that the high frama rate is not gonna be what people watch on bluray.

Making too many choises based on the high frama rate could afffect the bluray release in a bad way.


Ardamírë
Valinor


Dec 4 2013, 9:57am

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If it's something he has acknowledged, I will be so incredibly happy. One of my biggest gripes with AUJ is the picture quality. If Peter Jackson has recognized that the super high resolution was part of AUJ's problem, then I think it's a good sign for the next two movies.

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Joe20
Lorien


Dec 4 2013, 10:08am

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This article... [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/...maug-premiere-661467


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Bernhardina
Rohan


Dec 4 2013, 10:20am

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I think these movies should get darker in tone because the smooth transition to LOTR. But I think the look of AUJ is suitable to the story, it gives it a fairytale-feel to it. That said, the bright colours certainly made the film feel very CGI, bordering animated. And that's not a good thing. So I am welcoming the change.

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Jax_Teller
Rivendell


Dec 4 2013, 11:08am

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As said, the look evolves as it should throughout the story, there's nothing wrong with AUJ, Pete mentions that they softened the look because of HFR.

AUJ looks gorgeous and very cinematic, I loved how it looked in HFR 3D, hyper real looking, too much for a lot of people (although a lot loved it as well), so that's what Pete is trying to change.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2013, 12:43pm

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In Reply To
“Last year, there was a lot of focus on the frame rate, and the technology drove a lot of the reviews,” Jackson acknowledged. “I think it wasn’t just the frame rate; it was the high-definition look of the cameras that was a contributing factor. So I softened it up this year. And I think we’ve got a look now that feels quite nice.”


If i were to have one complaint about AUJ's cinematography, it would be that it had a very digital, HD look, and not very film-like. The HD look can work for some things, but not Middle-earth, and definitely not with the aesthetic PJ already established with LotR. If he has indeed "corrected" this problem for DoS (hard to tell from a laptop), i hope he does go back and do the same for AUJ, so that it blends in more smoothly to the cinematic look LotR has. Isn't that part of the point of them doing this trilogy? So that we can take a week-end and watch all six films in order, and that they all look "of a piece"?


(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Dec 4 2013, 12:48pm)


shadowfaux
Bree

Dec 4 2013, 2:00pm

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I seem to recall that the LOTR blu-ray, especially FOTR, got some tweaks to the color grading for its release (more green), so it may be within the realm of possibility for either a trilogy or a double trilogy release to see small changes like this.

Also, I'm still guessing that a 3D HFR with dolby atmos blu-ray standard will be released in the next few years - maybe with the release of the next avatar movies in 60fps, so there could be a chance in the future to see the movies the way they were intended.


Jax_Teller
Rivendell


Dec 4 2013, 2:11pm

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Jesus [In reply to] Can't Post

The Hobbit movies are shot on the Red Epic, of course it's not going to look like the LOTR trilogy. However, AUJ doesn't have the cheap digital look, it looks gorgeous, of course, it's smoother and cleaner, because that's what the Red Epic looks like, but unless you're talking about HFR, I don't see what the problem is here.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2013, 3:15pm

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in post-production, especially with digital photography, Red Epic or otherwise (and apparently, PJ agrees). And while i would not say that AUJ looked "cheap", it did have a 'too digital' look to it-- smoother and cleaner are not necessarily good things when it comes to cinema, in my opinion.

Much of LotR had a painterly quality to it, and while i understand that the new trilogy needs to have it's own visual style, i would think PJ would want to carry on with this painterly look, no matter the color palette or camera work. It helps give the movies that "historical" feel, which AUJ just does not have, in my opinion.


Jax_Teller
Rivendell


Dec 4 2013, 3:34pm

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Thanks, but I know all about color timing [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ made it clear a few times that the Hobbit movies have their own look, more fantastical, it's a conscious choice.

Blunt the knives, bend them forks, smash the bottles and burn the corks.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates !


Annatar598
Rohan

Dec 4 2013, 3:34pm

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That "digital" quality is more [In reply to] Can't Post

Apparent in sweeping camera movements around the Goblin King as he is doing his introductory song in AUJ EE.

The Goblin caverns look so much like an animated cartoony environment with all the bright saturated colors of the rocks.

It's not entirely bad but it doesn't fit into the gritty photography of DOS and LOTR.


LoremIpsum
Lorien


Dec 4 2013, 3:58pm

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I would say it fit well with the tone of the movie - in DOS the story gets darker so a shift in grading is also welcome (and this time I love the look).


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea


Dec 4 2013, 4:00pm

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From Peter Jackson: “I think it wasn’t just the frame rate; it was the high-definition look of the cameras that was a contributing factor. So I softened it up this year. And I think we’ve got a look now that feels quite nice.”

Quite seperate from color timing. And i did say that i realise that the new trilogy has to have it's own look, it's own visual style and color palette (fantastical, as you say), but that does not mean that it has to have that digital, high-definition look that PJ himself speaks of.


(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Dec 4 2013, 4:02pm)


Bumblingidiot
Rohan

Dec 5 2013, 12:55am

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I think when something's very new, it can be difficult to prevent the technology from driving your choices to some extent, no matter how talented you are. Perhaps PJ has now firmly settled into digital, and is more confident about making it do what he wants. Bit like Delia Smith and pastry.

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hobbitrunner
The Shire

Dec 5 2013, 1:50am

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While the LOTR movies are certainly far grittier and darker from the start, it has been noted that they do get darker along the way as the story becomes darker.

This can also work with the overall Hobbit transition.
At the start of AUJ it's all innocent and indeed almost fairy-tale-like. However, once the journey gets into the mountains and Bilbo finds the ring, it makes sense for it to get darker from there.
Truly, Bilbo's discovery of the ring is the first HUGE movement towards the story-line of LOTR; or at least his discovery is the first obvious direct connection to Sauron.

So anyways, fairy-tale to darker to darker to FOTR's darkness makes sense in my opinion when you relate it to the loss of innocence. Within the context of the 6 movies all together.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Dec 5 2013, 7:50am

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