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"You have no right to enter that mountain." - New DOS Clip.
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Dec 4 2013, 6:40pm

Post #51 of 61 (365 views)
Well I'm not sure that Tolkien wrote [In reply to] Can't Post

That none of Bard's Northmen ancestors ever married someone of a different race, did he? If we are being hypothetical?


Dec 4 2013, 6:47pm

Post #52 of 61 (392 views)
breaking it down [In reply to] Can't Post

what i liked about this scene:

-the snow flakes. nicely done and great ambiance.
-the lighting on the primaries (Thorin, Bard, the Master), great stuff
-the dialogue, for the most part, and how it sets up the conflict between Bard and Thorin
-Luke Evans' performance
-the Master of Laketown's look. perfectly yucky.
-the different ethnicities/skin tones present in Laketown, very appropriate for its location in Middle Earth and considering it is a port town

mixed feelings:

-the set, set dressing, and the extras' costumes. all of it was aight but nothing that blew me away. part of it, though, is probably that i have to watch this on a tiny screen and can't catch much of the detail work, assuming it's there as it is virtually everywhere else in these movies.
-Armitage. think he went a tad overboard when Thorin's trying to get the crowd on his side. however, his delivery of "I have the only right" couldn't be better and that's the most important line in the scene, anyways. so all in all a plus grade for him.

didn't care for:

the lighting/composition of the shots of the extras, not nearly as good as that of the primaries, but that's sorta to be expected.


Dec 4 2013, 8:25pm

Post #53 of 61 (311 views)
Look fake [In reply to] Can't Post

To me laketown look kinda fake more like a broadway stage play and the extras don't look believable.


Dec 4 2013, 8:40pm

Post #54 of 61 (312 views)
Fili and Kili [In reply to] Can't Post

I like the tiny moment you see Fili being big brotherly in the background at the start of the clip.


Dec 4 2013, 9:56pm

Post #55 of 61 (235 views)
Wow, is that you, Gollum? [In reply to] Can't Post

SMEAGOL: "Middle Earth could be fantastic if it introduced a coloured hero."
GOLLUM: "Exactly what do you imply by that? That colour of skin is of huge importance?"

A wonderful piece of inner dialogue, if not of inner consistency...

Captain Salt
Tol Eressea

Dec 4 2013, 10:01pm

Post #56 of 61 (227 views)
That's Mark Mitchinson as Braga, captain of the lake-guard. [In reply to] Can't Post

But yeah, good scene...that's the kind-of drama and conflict which was not to be found in AUJ, IMO.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Dec 5 2013, 2:56am

Post #57 of 61 (202 views)
Actually, I loved Armitage in the scene... [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought his emotion was great. Not too much in my opinion.

"Seriously, why was the scene with CGI dwarf ass NOT in the theatrical cut?!"

Tol Eressea

Dec 5 2013, 3:05am

Post #58 of 61 (177 views)
I think [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin's arm movements may have been a bit too much...he almost looks like he's about to have a seizure...Crazy

But other than that LOVED the scene! It resembles the book so well- Bard is the grim pessimist and voice of dissent. The Master is contemplating the gold and has a glint in his eye....and Thorin is trying to sway the crowd in his direction and has seen the mountain....so perhaps the gold sickness is beginning to take root in the deception of the crowd, because I really believe that he has no intention of giving them a share of the gold, nor did he ever. Not as mistrustful as he is of other races....

Plus Kili's face was a ghastly white in that scene, and he's clearly putting the weight on one leg only. Fili is concerned about him and that is very evident. Yet Thorin is more worried about politics and getting the crowd to support his mission than his clearly injured and ill nephew in front of him....I think the seeds of madness are planted....and Thorin probably knows it deep down-hence his massive glare at Bard when he brings up the dragon sickness...plus ya know the insulting the dead relatives thing....

I think Thorin's clearly demonstrating the "if you're not with me you're against me" attitude right now.

9 more days!!! Can't wait!!!

Race is meaningless. We all bleed red-no matter who or what we are. What matters is the heart. For each race has those with good hearts and those with bad hearts. You have a good heart. You do not deserve to die.


Dec 5 2013, 3:14am

Post #59 of 61 (149 views)
Hahaha imagine if that was the dialogue that Sam overheard [In reply to] Can't Post

as Gollum thougth he was asleep ! For some reason imagining this scene makes me laugh a lot... I think it's because I need some sleep.


Dec 5 2013, 4:37pm

Post #60 of 61 (90 views)
did you watch it on a smallish screen? [In reply to] Can't Post

i've watched it on a bigger, better one now with a better contrast level and more of the details visible and while it's still not my favorite set or costumes ever, it definitely improved--felt a lot more atmospheric and believable when you can see the detail. i especially like the guard armor. i also thought that the extras delivered some pretty solid reaction shots--good job, extras!

Tol Eressea

Dec 5 2013, 5:08pm

Post #61 of 61 (88 views)
Yeah, in some shots Laketown looks fantastic, [In reply to] Can't Post

and in others, it just looks like a set. Or, like you said, like something you'd see on a Broadway stage.

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