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N.E. Brigand
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Jan 27 2008, 9:46pm


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Just kidding. Visualweasel is quite right that The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion & Guide and The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion overlap very little, but while the latter is easier to use (and shorter), it also contains much less new information. Regular participants on this board are probably already familiar with at least 75% of its contents. I think the LotR Reader's Guide is aimed at people who have read only LotR and want to know more about it; most people here will not need the book's references to the "Silmarillion" backstory, nor its defintions of uncommon words or even many of its historica/literary source identification. That said, the book does include probably several thousand words of previously unpublished Tolkien writings, including notes from "Hunt for the Ring" papers that were not used in Unfinished Tales; details from a "Time Scheme" that Tolkien used to keep track of his heroes and their enemies, definitions from an unfinished Index, and some pages from Letter #131 that were cut from Letters. A lot could be made of that material, by the careful reader.

But judge for yourself. Here's what Hammond and Scull provide for this chapter.

1. Textual history:
-- a. Page citations to the chapter’s drafts in The History of Middle-earth.
-- b. In 2004, “Far-away answering horns” changed to “Far away answering horns”.
-- c. Note on capitalization policy for “Elvish”.
-- d. Draft version of Strider’s remarks at Weathertop, more explicit on the distance to Rivendell.
-- e. Some editions print “bride-piece” for “bride-price”.
-- f. Frodo didn’t drop his sword in the first edition.

2. Previously unpublished material from the “Hunt for the Ring” MSS.:
--a. 500 words on the attack at Crickhollow.
--b. 260 words on attack at Prancing Pony.
--c. 250 words on Gandalf at Weathertop.
--d. 390 words on Frodo at Weathertop.

3. Literary models and sources:
--a. The hour before dawn and Hamlet.
--b. Eärendil and Old English earendel.

4. Middle-earth and story-internal history:
--a. Talking birds (The Hobbit).
--b. The history of Arnor (LotR Appendices).
--c. Gil-galad, Elendil and the Last Alliance (The Silmarillion and The Peoples of Middle-earth).
--d. Strider’s interpretation of the signs at Weathertop is correct (“The Council of Elrond”).
--e. The fading of the elves (“The Tale of Years” and Letter #131).
--f. Beren and Lúthien (The Silmarillion). Lots of details from the poem and synopsis explained.
--g. Morgoth, Feanor and the silmarils (The Silmarillion).
--h. The importance of Beren and Lúthien to Aragorn.
--i. Eärendil (The Silmarillion).
--j. Why Frodo sees the wraiths when he puts on the Ring (“Many Meetings”).
--k. Frodo’s invocation of Elbereth (The Road Goes Ever On).

5. Speculation about the story:
--a. Darkness at Crickhollow suggests skies had clouded over.
--b. Frodo’s dream of wind and hoofs may be of Crickhollow attack.
--c. Elves may use birds as messengers.
--d. Strider apparently didn’t set a watch before Oct. 4th.
--e. The cairn on Weathertop may have been piled by Gandalf.
--f. The Forkaken Inn may be deserted.
--g. The glint of water seen from Weathertop is probably the Hoarwell.
--g. The “elven-flowers” in the Tinúviel poem may be niphredil.

6. Other Tolkiena:
--a. The J.R.R. Tolkien Audio Collection includes Tolkien performing songs of Gil-galad and Tinúviel.
--b. Tolkien drew Gil-galad’s emblems.
--c. The story and name “Lúthien” had personal significance for Tolkien.
--d. The probable meaning of ann-thennath, by C. Hostetter and P. Wynne.
--e. P. Kocher on effect of “Silmarillion” history on first-time readers.

7. Historical analogues:
--a. Wolves crossing frozen Brandwyine (Rhine in A.D. 406).
--b. The name “Longshanks” (Edward I).
--c. The Weather Hills fortifications (Hadrian’s Wall).
--d. The term “bride-price” (Anglo-Saxon customs).

8. Running chronology, e.g. “He opened his eyes – it is now 30 September”. Also moon phases.

9. Terms defined from Tolkien’s “Nomenclature of The Lord of the Rings” and unfinished Index:
--a. Nomenclature: Midgewater, Neekerbreekers
--b. Index: Midgewater Marshes, Old Road, Forsaken Inn, Ford of Bruinen, Northern lands

10. Elvish and uncommon English words defined: longshanks, stick-at-naught, short commons, Amon Sûl, helm, cairn, Bruinen, umbels, Lúthien, Tinúviel, raiment, Beren, mantle, linden, darkling, Barahir, Thingol, Angband, Dior, Elwing, Eärendil.

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**A Knife in the Dark** 1. The House at Crickhollow stood silent squire Send a private message to squire Jan 14 2008, 11:30pm
    I'll try Millican Send a private message to Millican Jan 15 2008, 12:12am
    The Omniscient Narrator steps silently out from the shadows. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 15 2008, 12:19am
        you guys know too much (said nicely) Millican Send a private message to Millican Jan 15 2008, 12:29am
            Nah, it's all in knowing where to look. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 15 2008, 12:36am
            The movements of the Nazgul are quite complicated. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 16 2008, 6:22pm
                Some of the notes cited there... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 5:41am
    Some answers SilentLion Send a private message to SilentLion Jan 15 2008, 12:46am
    rendition Finding Frodo Send a private message to Finding Frodo Jan 15 2008, 5:50am
    well elostirion74 Send a private message to elostirion74 Jan 15 2008, 7:13am
    Thoughts. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 15 2008, 10:42am
    If a blow falls on a door... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Jan 15 2008, 11:29am
        And we would have gotten the Ring, too, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 16 2008, 11:24pm
            Aren't the Nazgûl less active in the later books? N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 5:47am
                Precisely. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 17 2008, 1:44pm
                    Tolkien used your explanation, though Aragorn did not. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 3:42pm
                        Really? Cool! If you can give me a cite, Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 17 2008, 3:57pm
                            "The Lord of the Rings: A Reader's Companion", pp. 180-181. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 4:08pm
                                I am referring to the 2-volume set. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 17 2008, 4:38pm
                                    Yes! visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Jan 17 2008, 4:57pm
                                        Maybe for my birthday. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 17 2008, 5:01pm
                                    No! N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 27 2008, 9:46pm
    A couple of replies visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Jan 15 2008, 5:19pm
    Busted doors, crowing roosters, and wild horns. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 16 2008, 10:39pm
        Very perceptive! Thanks for that link. // visualweasel Send a private message to visualweasel Jan 16 2008, 10:56pm
        As it happens, Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Jan 17 2008, 6:21am
            Is this the proof people talk about so much sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17 2008, 9:40am
                Ferny doesn't know the hobbits have taken up with Strider. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 3:54pm
                    Thanks sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17 2008, 9:20pm
                        Well, N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 10:02pm
        crowing roosters who drive away ghosts a.s. Send a private message to a.s. Jan 17 2008, 11:15am
            For cockcrow limits our holiday - the dead of the night's high-noon! squire Send a private message to squire Jan 17 2008, 12:30pm
    Tolkien says the Riders' map was incomplete. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 5:17am
        The Riders "can sense that the Ring is or *was* there" - was? squire Send a private message to squire Jan 17 2008, 12:23pm
            Magic blew the door down. Curious Send a private message to Curious Jan 17 2008, 1:25pm
            And here I thought you had deliberately... N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 17 2008, 3:46pm
    Catching up, somewhat late sador Send a private message to sador Jan 17 2008, 9:22am
        "Truly the light is sweet..." N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 21 2008, 5:50pm
    Shut and locked. N.E. Brigand Send a private message to N.E. Brigand Jan 22 2008, 2:16am

 
 
 

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