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Elves in Aman

Phantom
The Shire


Nov 12 2013, 7:17pm

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So by the 3rd Age, the elves are leaving Middle Earth and sailing to the Undying Lands. In addition, elves who are slain in battle are sent to the Halls of Mandos and after a time, given physical form again, correct?

So then, just how many elves are there? I would imagine between those who never came to Middle Earth, those who did but sailed back, and those who were killed and then given bodies again...that'd be a TON of elves would it not?

Lastly, was it written somewhere that people had accidentally found the Straight Road and sailed to the Undying Lands by mistake? Or am I who's mistaken? Tongue

And what do trees have to talk about? Hmm...except the consistency of squirrel droppings?


Elizabeth
Valinor


Nov 12 2013, 8:06pm

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There are lots of Elves. [In reply to] Can't Post

Fortunately, the Undying Lands are infinitely large, so there's no problem.








Rembrethil
Tol Eressea


Nov 12 2013, 8:29pm

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The surviving Teleri stayed, and their ranks were swelled by the return of many Elves after the Defeat of Morgoth and hte Pardon of the Valar. A lot of Vanyar stayed, as the rebellious were mostly Noldorin.

An exact count would be hard, but A LOT, would cover it.

Call me Rem. Rembrethil is a lot to type!!


Elthir
Gondor

Nov 12 2013, 8:48pm

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Lastly, was it written somewhere that people had accidentally found the Straight Road and sailed to the Undying Lands by mistake? Or am I who's mistaken?




In early 'Silmarillion' texts, a mortal called Elfwine had sailed to Tol Eressea somehow, and there recorded the stories of the Elves, translated them into Old English... where I assume some guy named Tolkien later found them and translated these translations into Modern English.

That's an extremely simplified explanation of the external matter of the transmission of the texts [Eriol/Elfwine/ Numenor/Bilbo transmissions] and other related things, but I'm just wondering if maybe you were thinking about Elfwine in general.

He found his way to Eressea, even after the Change of the World [flat to round] had entered Tolkien's imagination, and the concept of Elfwine recording the Elvish stories in Eressea seems to have lingered on past the 'completion' of The Lord of the Rings.

Later Tolkien imagined a new kind of transmission of the tales. Elfwine may have been 'out', Bilbo in, although some seem to think there was still room for an Anglo-Saxon character in the new transmission.

Or something Smile

 
 

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