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Worries concerning Dol Guldur. Being captured in one movie and knocked out in the next would be TOO much.
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Nov 5 2013, 9:45pm

Post #26 of 28 (108 views)
Ok, my thoughts on what we know so far.... [In reply to] Can't Post

From what we have gathered from the blogs, trailers, clips and lego sets etc, this is my theory on the Dol Guldur Subplot.
  • Somewhere in the movie, Beorn and/or the beornings will be connected to Dol Guldur, (known by the "Dol Guldur Ambush" set). Perhaps Bolg/Azog is responsible for the eradication of Beorns kin. Possibly part of a prolouge or early in the film.
  • Early in the film, Gandalf will visit The High Fells with Radagast (cue sneak peek scene), this will lead to them heading to Dol Guldur.
  • Gandalf and Radagast enter Dol Guldur, then at some point Radagast leaves - either to warn the council or otherwise. Latest blog suggests Gandalf telling Radagast to "leave now", furthermore Gandalf seems alone there - shot of gandalf walking across bridge, being led through Dol Guldur by Thrain, running and twisting his staff etc.
  • Gandalf is incapacitated somehow - hopefully by the necromancer and nothing less powerful - he is imprisoned in the fortress, (shot in the latest sneak peek behind bars). Possible torture by the Necromancer? Sauron realizing his presence is revealed sends forth his army - shot of army marching from DG? END OF DOS
  • TABA begins with the Council, informed by Radagast coming to rescue him/drive out Sauron. Galadriel "ragdoll moment"? Battle of Dol Guldur commences.

Thoughts? Most of this is just speculation based on what we've glimpsed at remember...


Nov 5 2013, 11:13pm

Post #27 of 28 (91 views)
It is different. For one thing, we know Bilbo lives. But also, we can very easily assume [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin is only threatening Bilbo. Sir Ian looks like he is in a damned cage in this scene. It does not look at all like he is leaning against the bars of someone else's cage, nor does it look like he has come to a gated pass and is just resting up while preparing to blast it open. He looks SUNK. Now, maybe, hopefully, if he is caged he will call upon the strength of that inner Holy Spirit, and in the mode of Finrod Felagund wrest the cage apart and free himself... but otherwise..... mmmmmmFrown I don't know, Daniel.

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Though ... if you're looking for sarcasm ... the shot is only 1 second long. Can we really deduce anything from it? We could do the same with Thorin pointing the sword at Bilbo, and saying he's going to stab him to death.

Both are likely, from very short clips.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Nov 5 2013, 11:40pm

Post #28 of 28 (93 views)
Yes, he did fight the Nine, from dusk until dawn, and it was seen afar as lightning that leaped [In reply to] Can't Post

from the hilltop.

And I have VERY much been hoping they would take the main elements of that scene and place them in Dol Guldur.

I share your fears.

I didn't mind the Radagast scene so much. I wish the fight had lasted a few seconds longer, and that the decisive strike from Radagast had included some small reaction of light or force to make clear that his power was factoring in. However, I did note that his staff does strike The Witch-King's face, so at least the dispersal has some weight.

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Yeah..I strongly hope that he will be captured by Sauron himself as well. Anything else except perhaps him against all 9 (in the book I think he did not fight them all at weathertop did he?) would be ridiculous.

But I most certainly also fear for the whole DG Plot to become an utter mess. I was not too happy about their ideas there in general. (Nazgul tombs!??Crazy) And even if the plot itself is good, it might get poorly executed like that scene in AUJ where Raddy explores DG.
The effects were godawful ( I have never seen such a bad ghost/spirit.. the ones in LOTR were better; Sauron was also very underwhelming) and it was not very convincing having Raddy fight off the Witch-King/Khamul with two swings of his staff and without any magic.

So let us hope the whole thing will get more sinister and thrilling in DOS and TABA. The newest trailer gives hope...

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

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