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Does one sentence in the EE clear up the Red Book of Westmarch "continuity" mistake?

DanielLB
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Oct 31 2013, 10:38am

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Does one sentence in the EE clear up the Red Book of Westmarch "continuity" mistake? Can't Post

Ever since An Unexpected Journey was released last year, a number of threads have discussed whether or not Bilbo writing different parts of his story in the Red Book between AUJ and FOTR is a continuity error or not. But does the extended edition now clear it up (the bit bolded)?


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“Far away, in another corner of the world, dragons were only make-believe; a party trick conjured by wizards on Midsummer’s Eve. No more frightening than fairy dust. And that, my dear Frodo, is where I come in. It was the beginning of an unlikely friendship that has lasted all my life. But it is not the start of my story. It began…well, it began as you might expect. In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit…”


Is this then the sequence of the Red Book:

A mini-introduction (sort of like an abstract ?) about Dwarves, dragons and Erebor (à la the actual prologue in the book, but about Bilbo's adventure instead) [as seen in AUJ]; followed by "But it is not the start of my story..." [as seen in AUJ:EE]; Biblo then writes the "proper" title "There and Back Again..." [as seen in FOTR:EE]; and lastly begins the story with the "Concerning Hobbits" chapter [as seen in FOTR:EE] (à la the book prologue and "I suppose hobbits need some description nowadays ...")

That, to me, clears up whether or not it is a continuity error. It makes sense to me, does it make sense to you?

(And since he is so engrossed with his writing, he's also forgotten that Frodo went to meet Gandalf).

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Bombadil
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Oct 31 2013, 11:52am

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Wesrmarch always confused Bomby? [In reply to] Can't Post

There is No Westmarch in the Shire?


DanielLB
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Oct 31 2013, 12:06pm

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See "Of the Ordering of the Shire" (and "Notes on the Shire Records") in the prologue of the book. [In reply to] Can't Post


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The Shire was divided into four quarters, the Farthings already
referred to. North, South, East, and West; and these again each into a
number of folklands, which still bore the names of some of the old leading
families, although by the time of this history these names were no longer
found only in their proper folklands. Nearly all Tooks still lived in the
Tookland, but that was not true of many other families, such as the
Bagginses or the Boffins. Outside the Farthings were the East and West
Marches: the Buckland (see beginning of Chapter V, Book I); and the
Westmarch added to the Shire in S.R. 1462.



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At the end of the Third Age the part played by the Hobbits in the great
events that led to the inclusion of the Shire in the Reunited Kingdom
awakened among them a more widespread interest in their own history; and
many of their traditions, up to that time still mainly oral, were collected
and Written down. The greater families were also concerned with events in
the Kingdom at large, and many of their members studied its ancient
histories and legends. By the end of the first century of the Fourth Age
there were already to be found in the Shire several libraries that contained
many historical books and records.
The largest of these collections were probably at Undertowers, at Great
Smials, and at Brandy Hall. This account of the end of the Third Age is
drawn mainly from the Red Book of Westmarch. That most important source for
the history of the War of the Ring was so called because it was long
preserved at Undertowers, the home of the Fairbairns, Wardens of the
Westmarch


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Endor Dweller
Bree


Oct 31 2013, 12:14pm

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According to the Appendices [In reply to] Can't Post

Westmarsh is a newly settled country (being a gift of king Elessar, after the War of the Ring) between the Far Downs and the Tower Hills. Sam's daughter Elanor the Fair and her husband Fastred of Greenholm moved there and from them came the Fairbairns of the Towers, Wardens of Westmarsh, who inherited the Red Book.

- Good morning.
- What do you mean? Do you mean to wish me a good morning, or do you mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not? Or perhaps you mean to say that you feel good on this particular morning...or are you simply stating that this is a morning to be good on?

- Good evening.
- Yes, yes it is. Though I think it might rain later.


Bombadil
Half-elven


Oct 31 2013, 12:17pm

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DLB..it's A Trick of Bomby's... to get you to do [In reply to] Can't Post

Research!

It always is FUN!
To read what have you
Have Scrambled to look up!

It benefits All

Bomby


(This post was edited by Bombadil on Oct 31 2013, 12:20pm)


Darkstone
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Oct 31 2013, 1:58pm

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Bilbo is an addict [In reply to] Can't Post

Expecting continuity in his writing is the same as expecting it in Jack Kerouac's, Hunter S. Thompson's, or William S. Burrough's.

Forget having it make sense. Just enjoy the ride.

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That hobbit has a pleasant face,
His private life is a disgrace.
I really could not tell to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.
Things that your paper never prints
They only speak of them in hints.
They have such lost, degraded souls,
No wonder they inhabit holes;
When such depravity is found,
It only can live underground.
I really dare not name to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.


DanielLB
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Oct 31 2013, 2:33pm

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That's probably a better explanation ... [In reply to] Can't Post


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Expecting continuity in his writing is the same as expecting it in Jack Kerouac's, Hunter S. Thompson's, or William S. Burrough's.


Darnnit. Wink



Darkstone
Immortal


Oct 31 2013, 2:58pm

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And by offering up excuses.... [In reply to] Can't Post

...you're just enabling him.


Wink

******************************************
That hobbit has a pleasant face,
His private life is a disgrace.
I really could not tell to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.
Things that your paper never prints
They only speak of them in hints.
They have such lost, degraded souls,
No wonder they inhabit holes;
When such depravity is found,
It only can live underground.
I really dare not name to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.


Bladerunner
Gondor


Oct 31 2013, 11:49pm

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lol!! [In reply to] Can't Post

 


 
 

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