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How would you rank the Middle Earth films so far and where do you think DOS will fit in?
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Oct 30 2013, 11:57pm

Post #26 of 44 (330 views)
Which word would you remove to make it perfect? // [In reply to] Can't Post


Tol Eressea

Oct 31 2013, 12:15am

Post #27 of 44 (337 views)
My thoughts... [In reply to] Can't Post

RotK was my favorite of the 3 LotR films, but like Daniel and Dormouse, I tend to watch all 3 EEs in a row (usually over the course of a couple of days), instead of watching the movies individually. Anyway, as far as what order I'd rank them individually, I'd go RotK, FotR, and TTT.

AUJ was not on par with any of those films IMO. I mostly enjoyed it, but Azog being alive, the CGI Orcs, and the Looney Tunes-like spectacle that was the Goblin-town escape marred it for me.

I have a feeling that DoS will be better than AUJ on the strength of the brand new locales and the darker tone - but I expect most of the issues I had with AUJ to remain.

(This post was edited by Salmacis81 on Oct 31 2013, 12:17am)


Oct 31 2013, 12:48am

Post #28 of 44 (329 views)
I love all of them [In reply to] Can't Post

4. AUJ (8/10)- Great: Prologue, Unexpected Party (Dwarf's Song), Azanulbizar, The White Council, Goblin King, Riddles in the Dark, Eagles.
Disappointing: Radagast, Azog, Too much goofy humor and CGI.
3. TTT (9/10)- Great: Opening, Smeagol/Gollum, Gandalf's Return, Theoden and Eowyn, Helm's Deep, Elrond and Arwen, Sam's speech.
Disappointing: Faramir, The Ents (except the last few scenes), Gimli silliness.
2. ROTK (9.5/10)- Great: Voice of Saruman, Everything in Minas Tirith, Shelob's Lair, The Ride of the Rohirrim and the Battle of Pellennor Fields, Final march on the Black Gate, ALL the Multiple Endings.
Disappointing: Paths of the Dead.
1. FOTR (10/10)- Great: Literally Everything. A perfect film

I'm assuming DOS will be better than AUJ, but still not as epically great as any LOTR film.

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...

(This post was edited by Elutherian on Oct 31 2013, 12:48am)


Oct 31 2013, 1:12am

Post #29 of 44 (303 views)
Ah--interesting. Hadn't heard of it before. // [In reply to] Can't Post


Tol Eressea

Oct 31 2013, 2:19am

Post #30 of 44 (312 views)
With their scores (out of 10) [In reply to] Can't Post

1. The Fellowship of the Ring 10.0
2. The Two Towers 10.0
3. The Return of the King 9.5
4. An Unexpected Journey 7.5

These are for the EEs. The only time i see the TEs is when i catch them on TNT.

(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Oct 31 2013, 2:24am)

Tol Eressea

Oct 31 2013, 2:37am

Post #31 of 44 (298 views)
The edit time is seriously waaay too short on this site... [In reply to] Can't Post

DoS will almost certainly be better than AUJ, probably 8-8.5, although i don't really see these Hobbit films coming close to the greatness of LotR. And if they are indeed serious about these films lining up with LotR in tone, i could see TaBA going as high as 9 for me. although there are some elements that seem inherent to this trilogy that i just don't see myself warming to. I really hope i'm wrong, though. It would be great if AUJ is the only disappointment in an otherwise great, great series of films. We shall see...


Oct 31 2013, 2:44am

Post #32 of 44 (288 views)
How I'd rank them... [In reply to] Can't Post

1 - ROTK - 10.0
2 - FOTR - 9.99 (probably equal in quality to ROTK, but I prefer ROTK ever so slightly because of the sense of resolution and finality it brings)
3 - TTT - 9.8
4 - AUJ - 8.9

AUJ is a great film, better than most films I see, but not *masterpiece* level like LOTR. Not sure how I will like DoS; it could very well be my least favorite. AUJ's opening was near perfect. And I suspect I will like TABA for alot of the same reasons I like ROTK.

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Oct 31 2013, 2:51am

Post #33 of 44 (294 views)
I'll rank the EE [In reply to] Can't Post

of each film but won't include DOS because I haven't seen it yet.

1. FOTR 9.75
2. ROTK 9.50
3. TTT 9.25
4. AUJ 9.20

Smeagol Bagginsess

Oct 31 2013, 3:22am

Post #34 of 44 (294 views)
1. FotR 7.5/10 [In reply to] Can't Post

2. RotK 5.8/10
3. TTT 5/10
4. Auj 4/10


Oct 31 2013, 1:12pm

Post #35 of 44 (226 views)
"She" [In reply to] Can't Post


"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear."


Oct 31 2013, 1:35pm

Post #36 of 44 (214 views)
Which part? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is "she" referring to Rosie, Luthien, Arwen, Gilraen or Galadriel?


Oct 31 2013, 1:58pm

Post #37 of 44 (206 views)
At the ford. [In reply to] Can't Post

I wince whenever I hear that line. It's a shame as it's a very good scene otherwise, and Liv Tyler does an excellent job. But the line is straight out of Conan the Barbarian or a Dungeons and Dragons game or something equally cheesy. You could scrap 'elf' as well - superfluous and a bit clunky, and the line would be fine.

It's a bit like Bilbo 'having a reaction' near the beginning of AUJ - a line straight out of an episode of Friends or something equally modern - it takes me out of the film for a few seconds.

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear."


Oct 31 2013, 3:49pm

Post #38 of 44 (191 views)
Best to worst [In reply to] Can't Post

1. FOTR - My favorite movie in general and the most polished of the series.

2. ROTK - Some editing and story changes keep it from being AS good as FOTR, such as Arwen "dying", Frodo sending Sam home and Sam actually obeying, how Frodo and Sam escape from the orcs after being seen and the orcs are just like "move along", the reveal of the ghost army BEFORE the black ships land at Minas Tirith in the EE, etc.

3. AUJ - Nearly flawless and actually a better adaptation than any of the movies so far, IMO, but the book just isn't on the same level as LOTR.

4. TTT - Still one of my favorite movies, but it's the least polished. It feels like half the movie was shot by the second unit. Aragorn falling over the cliff, Sam's self conscious speech at the end, the design of the wargs, etc.

I'm predicting DoS will be between ROTK and AUJ. It won't compare to ROTK, but I will like it better than AUJ and TTT.


Oct 31 2013, 4:03pm

Post #39 of 44 (191 views)
Middle [In reply to] Can't Post

Best: 1. TTT-EE

That hobbit has a pleasant face,
His private life is a disgrace.
I really could not tell to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.
Things that your paper never prints
They only speak of them in hints.
They have such lost, degraded souls,
No wonder they inhabit holes;
When such depravity is found,
It only can live underground.
I really dare not name to you,
The awful things that hobbits do.

(This post was edited by Darkstone on Oct 31 2013, 4:05pm)


Oct 31 2013, 4:07pm

Post #40 of 44 (193 views)
Ranking [In reply to] Can't Post

1. FotR - The best mainly for bringing Middle Earth to life visually and advancing the narrative through the slowest paced part of the books in away that involved all the main characters and emotionally immersing the audience in the story.

2. AUJ - Martin Freeman as Bilbo is the closest thing to buying into a character as we get aside from Ian Mckellan as Gandalf and Andy Serkis as Gollum. We get all three and we get all the highlights of the book along with a greater view of the happenings of Middle Earth during this time.

3. RotK - The final stage of Frodo and Sam's journey is the most emotionally compelling part of the LotR and the "many endings" allows the emotional payoff for all the main characters and closure for the audience.

4. TTT - Great movie, Gandalf's Return and Helm's Deep are handled wonderfully and meeting Gollum happens here but it just doens't carry the weight of the 1st and 3rd parts of the story.

The Shire

Oct 31 2013, 7:54pm

Post #41 of 44 (155 views)
AUJ is high-quality worst [In reply to] Can't Post

My ranking from worst to best:

4. AUJ 9.0 (CGI, disrespect for physics and too much slapstick ruined the perfect score)

1c. FOTR 10.0
1b. TTT 10.0
1a. ROTK 10.0


Oct 31 2013, 9:57pm

Post #42 of 44 (131 views)
Spot on! And I will add that... [In reply to] Can't Post

FOTR is the most stunning piece of movie-making I have ever seen. ROTK has many of those wonderful moments, and TTT is great too.

The Hobbit on the other hand - wonderful movie but - not in the same cathegory. And it is not a screw-up by the film makers. The Hobbit never had the same potential as the LOTR trilogy to become fantastic on screen. Lets face it, some books are better as books and The Hobbit is a perfect example of that.

Maybe PJ will blow me away, but I cannot imagine right now that any of the Hobbit films will end up on my top 3 films list but I hope that all parts of it reaches my top 4-6 Smile


Gandalf: FLY, YOU FOOLS!


Nov 11 2013, 7:57am

Post #43 of 44 (68 views)
"She-elf" [In reply to] Can't Post

You're not going to like the recent MTC clip. Wink


Nov 11 2013, 11:49am

Post #44 of 44 (62 views)
I've avoided all recent clips/trailers etc. [In reply to] Can't Post

in the hope that I will be positively surprised in the cinema. But phrases like that are too redolent of the almost universally sh*t fantasy genre - something that Tolkien would have loathed. I really think PJ should have got Stephen Fry or someone equally conscious of the subtler nuances of English to consult on the screenplay and filter out the odd bit of dodgy writing.

Incidentally, in The Hobbit, I also wince when Bilbo says he's 'having a reaction' to the horse hair - it's the kind of phrase I'd expect to hear in an episode of Friends or some other urban modern piece. It doesn't sit well with Tolkien's era at all.

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear."

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