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Script Pages in the EE

Arannir
Valinor


Oct 29 2013, 11:51am

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Script Pages in the EE Can't Post

I used to do that in a German board 10 years ago and thought some might like it as well.

In the EEs they often film and show pages of the script that were later changed, didn't make it into the movie, were written for auditions (as the one below) or will come later in the trilogy.

Maybe we could write down some of them :)


I will start with one from the extras regarding Thorin's Fellowship. At 2.17 we can read:


BILBO
Why did you come? If that's how you
feel, why didn't you stay at home?

GLOIN
Stay at home? Stay at home? What do
you take me for, an armchair axeman
who does all his fighting with
stories and songs?
I have followed Thorin Oakenshield
all of my life through battles
and brawls and famine and death. He is
family. And where I come from you
don't give up on family no matter
how stupid they are. This quest is
nothing but the pipedream of a mad
man. Our chances of survival are
slim to none.
But if we are to die, we'll die defending
each other, because that, [..]



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

(This post was edited by Arannir on Oct 29 2013, 12:00pm)


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 29 2013, 12:27pm

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Original Ending... [In reply to] Can't Post

...of AUJ:

EXT. FOREST RIVER HILLTOP - DAY

ANGLE ON: THORIN leads BILBO onto a LEDGE above the FOREST CANOPY ... in the DISTANCE rises a solitary, majestic PEAK.

THORIN
I began to doubt I would ever see this sight again.
(looking down to Bilbo)
I doubted a lot of things. I am sorry.

(the rest is basically the same, just that Bilbo and Thorin seem to be alone and Bilbo saying in the end "I think our fortunes have changed")


I like that it is a bit less melodramatic than the hug... I thought the scene on the Carrock was powerful enough without it. The more somber way of Thorin telling Bilbo that he may have underestimated him is better imho. However, the OTT version in UJ may pay off with Thorin starting to doubt Bilbo again and turning against him.



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


sycorax82
Rohan

Oct 29 2013, 1:39pm

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That scene was when it was 2 hours into AUJ as opposed to ending the film [In reply to] Can't Post

They had to ramp up that emotional moment when the Carrock became the conclusion to AUJ. In the original 2 film cut there would have been another 40 minutes (or so) of the film left from this point.


Arannir
Valinor


Oct 29 2013, 1:42pm

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I know... [In reply to] Can't Post

... this is why I said the original ending for AUJ.

Just wanted to point out that despite me liking AUJ very very much, that hug thing and Thorin's speech was one of the few moments I really wished they had not done like this.



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.


Ham_Sammy
Tol Eressea

Oct 29 2013, 2:29pm

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A small quibble for me [In reply to] Can't Post

This was my feeling as well. Thorin is a very stoic character and deeply driven. The hug to me was not necessary and a simple nod of 'forgive me for doubting you" would have fit in his character more, albeit with a smile which he rarely does. It in no way took away from my enjoyment of the movie, it was just a small quibble I had with the way that scene was done.

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Avandel
Valinor

Oct 29 2013, 3:25pm

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Feel completely opposite, just sayin' [In reply to] Can't Post

Gently disagree, that's one of my favorite scenes in the whole film, e.g. while Thorin is fierce, driven, and stoic, there's this great big dwarf heart too - e.g. he cares about his "men", can still find some humor occasionally. So I think the hug scene for this character and the situation is perfectly done, re having to re-arrange your entire dismissive attitude toward this little hobbit that just saved your life - VERY Thorin, actually. And think it's a dwarf thing too, go big or go home. Just beautiful IMO - love that scene (and it's subtle, but it's another moment where Bilbo learns more about Thorin/dwarves as well since this is a journey changing him too).

The script as originally written (except for Thorin saying he thought he might never see Erebor again) to me sounds "too looking down and foot shuffling", and that's not Thorin IMO or enough to underscore the enormity of what this little hobbit did (which was suicidal, really), so for me I'm happy they changed it, in the end. Would like to see somewhere in these movies some reaction from Kili and Fili as to what they are heirs to, tho, as apparently they had never seen Erebor before.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 29 2013, 5:28pm

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Aidan Turner's audition reveals a bit of this character(?) [In reply to] Can't Post

from the 2010 casting call:

[ELF WARRIOR] An ELF LORD of RIVENDELL. Tall and good-looking, he is very athletic and comes from a noble family. Wry and dry, with a sharp sense of humour, when forced into battle however, he is deadly with both sword and bow. Like all his race he is a master horseman. LEAD. AGE: 20-30.

As per PB, Turner are originally up for "an elf", though his audition dialogue would suggest it wasn't Thranduil as early reports stated back in 2010:

"my lord, Thranduil is wise but in this matter his judgement is clouded...is this about his meeting with Gandalf? Can you please tell me what I'm seeking?"

Evidently after this character was written out (post-GdT departure possibly?) they ultimately cast Turner as Kili...wonder if this was to be Elladan, Elrohir, or Glorfindel (Or "Elros" who's now supposedly being played by Robin Kerr in a much smaller role)?

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

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Arannir
Valinor


Oct 29 2013, 5:46pm

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Potentially... [In reply to] Can't Post

... However, as far as I know they also wrote some scenes and lines that were never intended to be in the movie. They did the same as far as I can remember for LotR. So this could be some relatively random paragraphs meant for "some" Elf.



ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

(This post was edited by Arannir on Oct 29 2013, 5:47pm)


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Oct 29 2013, 6:06pm

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And if "some elf" is someone other than Thanduil [In reply to] Can't Post

Unless they wanted Turner for Galion, who else could this have been? Potentially "Luthuin" played by Eli Kent, though he's probably another Lindir or glorified extra. I can't imagine they wanted Turner for a bit part (especially as PJ called Turner and asked him to audition, having been a fan of "Being Human").

I suppose Turner could have been auditioning for Thranduil, though one images:

A. He would have been reading AS Thranduil and not about him.

B. FB would have specified which character Turner has auditioned unless she had not wanted to delve into exorcised characters from an earlier draft of the script.

Anywho, everyone else from that casting call has ended up in the films (save for Drogo & Primula, who might well play into the "Back Again" of Film 3), making it seem quite possible that this "Elf Warrior" was an important character in the scripts at one time.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

 
 

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