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Young Bilbo Vs Frodo

Peterthorn of Rohan

Oct 15 2013, 7:14pm

Post #1 of 13 (682 views)
Young Bilbo Vs Frodo Can't Post

Bilbo would win because of his courage!

Ziggy Stardust

Oct 16 2013, 1:38am

Post #2 of 13 (535 views)
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I can't decide on this one. I love both, and they both show a lot of courage. I'm going to have to go with a draw.

Grey Havens

Oct 16 2013, 2:25am

Post #3 of 13 (556 views)
I'd have to go with Bilbo on this one [In reply to] Can't Post

Although both young Bilbo and Frodo have great courage, I would argue that, if you compare them one-on-one, Bilbo has actually put his courage into effect in more ways than Frodo has. That is especially so if you are talking about the Jackson adaptations, in which the case for Bilbo is even stronger. Movie-Bilbo has accomplished more acts of unaided bravery in one movie than movie-Frodo has in three.

Whether talking books or movies, Frodo accomplished some extremely weighty things, of epic importance to be sure, but always with the help of others, especially Sam (and Gollum, ultimately). Bilbo, in contrast, cut his teeth on helping others rather than being helped.

A bag is like a hole that you can carry with you.



Oct 16 2013, 9:06pm

Post #4 of 13 (517 views)
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Because he knew what he was getting into which takes real courage, where as bilbo had no idea really.

'What's the matter with you?' - J.R.R. Tolkien

Werde Spinner

Oct 17 2013, 1:40am

Post #5 of 13 (496 views)
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Frodo had the courage to pour himself out like water, to spend his strength utterly in order to bring the Ring to Mount Doom, fighting its influence every step of the way. He took that burden upon himself by free choice. He gave mercy to Gollum when reason would have dictated otherwise, and for that he was richly rewarded. He has a kind of moral strength we don't see near as much in Bilbo - although Bilbo did spare Gollum to begin with, which saved Middle-earth, and he was able to let go of the Ring, with Gandalf's help.

So, are you asking about moral and mental strength or physical strength?

If it's a straight-up fight, though, my money's on Bilbo. Sorry, Frodo.

"I had forgotten that. It is hard to be sure of anything among so many marvels. The world is all grown strange. Elf and Dwarf in company walk in our daily fields; and folk speak with the Lady of the Wood and yet live; and the Sword comes back to war that was broken in the long ages ere the fathers of our fathers rode into the Mark! How shall a man judge what to do in such times?"

"As he ever has judged. Good and ill have not changed since yesteryear; nor are they one thing among Elves and Dwarves and another among Men. It is a man's part to discern them, as much in the Golden Wood as in his own house."


Oct 21 2013, 2:41pm

Post #6 of 13 (506 views)
Young Bilbo wins! [In reply to] Can't Post

Sometimes I doubt that Frodo could go any further without Sam at his side.


Oct 24 2013, 1:10pm

Post #7 of 13 (478 views)
Frodo [In reply to] Can't Post

Even though he gets a lot of support from Sam, he has the much bigger burden to bear and several times shows an enormous willigness to sacrifice hismelf for the quest.

ďA dragon is no idle fancy. Whatever may be his origins, in fact or invention, the dragon in legend is a potent creation of menís imagination, richer in significance than his barrow is in gold.Ē J.R.R. Tolkien

Words of wisdom that should be remembered - both by critics, purists and anyone in between.

The Shire

Oct 25 2013, 1:18am

Post #8 of 13 (460 views)
Difficult... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm having trouble with this because I'm simply picturing Martin Freeman and Elijah Wood, as human beings, having a silly slap fight.


Oct 25 2013, 1:22am

Post #9 of 13 (450 views)
Talk about entertainment! [In reply to] Can't Post

That would be hilarious. I wonder if that happened while they filmed for AUJ?Tongue

Btw, welcome to the forums. Smile Just saw your post in Off-Topic. I'm still pretty new here myself after de-lurking. It's such a fun place. Cool

nandorin elf

Oct 25 2013, 1:28am

Post #10 of 13 (448 views)
Hmm...hard one [In reply to] Can't Post

I really had to think on this one. If it's going off who is more courageous, I think I have to go with Frodo. Bilbo wanted to go on an adventure; at least, his Tookish side did. He thought it would be fun.
Frodo, on the other hand, knew the quest could cost his life and still went. Bilbo gained courage, but Frodo started with it.
I like Bilbo more as a character though because he grows so much.

The Shire

Oct 25 2013, 3:12am

Post #11 of 13 (476 views)
Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, cats! Wow, that's probably not the first time that I've appeared to express gratitude to felines. Not that you're necessarily feline in nature. You know what I mean. Hi. Tongue

And yes, that would probably send me into an adorable-overload-coma if there were footage of such a thing.


Nov 8 2013, 1:17am

Post #12 of 13 (426 views)
Hm. I gotta go with a draw. [In reply to] Can't Post

They would probably get nowhere, they are too evenly matched :P

Beware the shiny
They are there to steal your heart.
You must just say no.

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Nov 22 2013, 1:15am

Post #13 of 13 (449 views)
Bilbo faced a Dragon alone [In reply to] Can't Post

Whereas Frodo went with a Fellowship... then it split and he was supported by Sam. Bilbo instead faced the spiders alone, saved 13 dwarves from a mighty king's realm, stole a cup from a dragon and even survived in the encounter. Frodo carried a heavy burden indeed, but he didn't have the 'pants' to save others, the only Hobbit who can actually beat Bilbo in courage is Sam.


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