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Lightfoot
Rivendell


Oct 20 2013, 1:52pm

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Well they were actually [In reply to] Can't Post

replaced with Chinese workers after they demanded holiday a bonus and overtime pay. Santa decided that cheap labor was better than pointy eared dentist wannabes.

Faithful servant yet master's bane,
Lightfoot's foal, swift Snowmane



Heatherleawv
Bree


Oct 20 2013, 6:03pm

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Thanks! [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile

All that glitters is not gold...


CuriousG
Valinor


Oct 20 2013, 9:07pm

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Love this one! [In reply to] Can't Post


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Are there any vegetarian orcs?




CuriousG
Valinor


Oct 20 2013, 9:09pm

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And why didn't Santa fly the Ring to Mt Doom in his sleigh? [In reply to] Can't Post

Would Rudolph's blinking red nose have given them away?


N.E. Brigand
Half-elven


Oct 21 2013, 3:47am

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Tolkien wrote extensively about North Pole Elves. [In reply to] Can't Post

See his "Father Christmas Letters".

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Heatherleawv
Bree


Oct 21 2013, 2:31pm

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Would Rudolph's blinking red nose have given them away? Good point! I think Santa gave Rudolph the night off. Smile


All that glitters is not gold...


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2013, 8:33pm

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How do you know "there are no stupid questions"?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


Darkstone
Immortal


Oct 21 2013, 8:42pm

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The only stupid question... [In reply to] Can't Post

...is the one that's never asked.

However, there are always plenty of stupid answers.Smile

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noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Oct 21 2013, 8:52pm

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The is a double-plus- unstupid question. It deserves a thread of its own. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"


CuriousG
Valinor


Oct 21 2013, 9:45pm

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Wait [In reply to] Can't Post

If the only stupid question is the one that's never asked, and we've been asking away, are you saying we haven't reached THE stupid question yet because we haven't asked it? And how will we get to it if it must remain unasked? How did we get stuck in this conundrum? What game will we play next?


noWizardme
Tol Eressea


Oct 22 2013, 9:32pm

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Do we see Tolkien's ideas on this evolving as he writes, do you think? [In reply to] Can't Post

That, by the way is not my proposed stupid question, though I do sometimes do my best work by accident …

What I mean is:
By the end of Shadow of the Past, I've got the impression that Saurons enemies will be "hard pressed" to survive while nobody at all is using the Ring. I infer that Sauron 's victory while Ringless is likely, but not inevitable. With the Ring, he's assumed to be unbeatable.

Come Council of Elrond, Tolkien needs to persuade us that the Ring should go to Mordor. He's quite explicit about the perils this involves. The alternative which gets quashed without much debate is to dump it at sea. Gandalf's argument against this is that it is not completely risk-free; and also that Sauron might retrieve it eventually, even if he has to wait on a geological timescale. The lack of argument about that has always somewhat dissatisfied me - I expect someone to point out that the risks of Sauron getting the Ring if it heads East may be so great that they outweigh the slim chance of a surprise complete victory. (OK Gandalf might or might not know about the chances of divine aid subtly tipping the odds in his favour; if he does, he's not very explicit about it. ) Maybe Tolkien wants us to see Ringless Sauron as well nigh unbeatable at this point: the more that's so, the less there is to lose by risking the attempt to destroy the Ring.

It's the Council of Elrond chapter which is the tricky corner, therefore. Later we get the idea that Sauron fears a rival getting the Ring. Aragorn et al deliberately play on this fear, acting as if they had the Ring, such that Sauron has little time to crush an upstart Ringlord before he or she becomes adept.

As for Aragorn & troops, putting it all into this does make sense, because they are so close to Mordor. Even if Sauron remained Ringless (Shelob ate the Ring, say) his conventional forces can probably crush them all. At best, perhaps they can weaken Sauron enough to help forces further west to rally.

Disclaimers: The words of noWizardme may stand on their heads! I'm often wrong about things, and its fun to be taught more....

"nowimė I am in the West, Furincurunir to the Dwarves (or at least, to their best friend) and by other names in other lands. Mostly they just say 'Oh no it's him - look busy!' "
Or "Hold off! unhand me, grey-beard loon!"

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