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The Eye of Sauron

thorinoakenshield
Rivendell


Oct 1 2013, 11:52pm

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In the trailer, we saw a glimpse of the Eye of Sauron. When could this fit into the movie? In Lotr, sometimes someone would touch the ring and it would come on screen. Could this be one of those moments? However, this causes more confusion - Sauron was not in eye form in the time of The Hobbit - or was he...


glor
Rohan

Oct 2 2013, 12:13am

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inserted into the trailer to remind audiences that this is connected to LOTR (it's a trailer, to get backsides into cinema's ergo, not us, as it were).

It could be a substitute image for something else yet to be finished or that they don't want revealed as yet, rewatching the trailer the Eye of Sauron image doesn't seem to run seamlessly between either of the trailer scenes, it sits alongside. My guess, is they just stuck it in, to remind the general non-Tolkien loving cinema audience, it's an iconic image afterall.


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Retro315
Rivendell

Oct 2 2013, 12:24am

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I believe Gandalf identified the Necromancer as Sauron by seeing his eyes. They were always Sauron's identifiable trait - he could shape-shift into many forms but his eyes remained glowing and cat-like (and he retained his scars).

To add a more magical, thematic and imagery beat to it, Gandalf may "see the Eye of Sauron", when he encounters the shadow, some sort of Maiar awareness psychic shock akin to the more metaphorical imagery of witnessing the Eye through the Ring in TLOTR, as he does at Bag-End, and Frodo does often, and eventually Pippin and Aragorn see in the Palantir.

(Though I would not be opposed at all to actually getting to see both of his eyes "in the flesh", so to speak - even if it's shadowy noncorporeal ghost flesh.)


Bumblingidiot
Rohan

Oct 2 2013, 4:34am

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He was never in eye form, as such. [In reply to] Can't Post

But the eye that you see in LOTR was I think supposed to be the form of his projected spirit into the world outside his tower. I don't remember the books telling us what form he eventually physically takes, but in The Hobbit, I don't think he's yet regained a solid form.

But if the eye is what people see in their minds, of his spiritual form, then that could be present in the time of The Hobbit. Although Saruman, in FOTR, seems to indicate that this projected form - "a great eye" - is a new thing.

"Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear."


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Oct 2 2013, 6:13am

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in the movieverse who knows [In reply to] Can't Post

in the books the eye was just what people sensed with the projection of his will. In letters JRRT says Sauron was like a large man but not gigantic and he was terrible to behold.


Elizabeth
Valinor


Oct 2 2013, 6:28am

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There's a good recent discussion of this issue [In reply to] Can't Post

...in the Reading Room. Sador and squire cover the book POV clearly and succinctly.








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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Oct 2 2013, 6:39pm

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Here are the different versions of Saurons eye

FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING

THE TWO TOWERS (and Return of the King)

THE DESOLATION OF SMAUG

So there is a reason why they created a new one... not only to give us a LOTR flashback (/forward). Perhaps we see WHY or WHEN he becomes the eye. When Saruman tells Gandalf about a lidless flaming eye he imidiately knows that it is Saurons form. Why? Because he already met him that way.


"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."

 
 

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