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Sep 22 2013, 2:25am

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Oropher [In reply to] Can't Post

What we know for a fact however, is that Thranduil fought in the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. And there are some indications this affecting (and probably injuring) him greatly, and it may explain why Thranduil has more or less shut himself up in Mirkwood.

Hmm, in the Third Age all the Elven Realms might be described as 'isolated', but in any case Tolkien already explains the returning Sindar's desire for relative isolation in Unfinished Tales, which is operative well before the Last Alliance.

Oropher came among the Silvan Elves of Greenwood as he and his Sindar: 'had no desire to leave Middle-earth, nor to be merged with the other Sindar of Beleriand, dominated by the Noldorin exiles for whom the folk of Doriath had no love. They wished indeed to become Silvan folk and to return, as they said, to the simple life natural to the Elves before the invitation of the Valar had disturbed it.' [UT Appendix B to The History of Galadriel and Celeborn]

This is echoed again, before the Last Alliance: 'despite the desire of the Silvan Elves to meddle as little as might be in the affairs of the Noldor or Sindar, or of any other peoples, Dwarves, Men, or Orcs, Oropher had the wisdom to forsee that peace would not return until Sauron was overcome.'


[The Silvan Elves']...losses were thus more grievous than they need have been, even in that terrible war. Oropher was slain in the first assault upon Mordor, rushing forward at the head of his most doughty warriors before Gil-galad had given the signal for the advance. Thranduil his son survived, but when the war ended ... he led back home barely a third of the army that had marched to war.


There was a long peace in which the numbers of Silvan Elves grew again; but they were unquiet and anxious, feeling the change in the world that the Third Age would bring... There was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of Mordor, and could not forget it. If ever he looked south, its memory dimmed the light of the sun...

Just as Thranduil is affected by the war and fighting, so is The Fisher King, although it may be argued that he is affected physically, while Thranduil is affected mentally. This can again be taken further because of Greenwood the Great turning into Mirkwood with the return of Sauron to Middle-earth.

I note you quote a description of the long peace that followed the Last Alliance, in which Thranduil's folk increased. And in fact, roughly 1,000 years pass after the Last Alliance before Greenwood begins to change into Mirkwood, and event which ultimately caused many to flee or become wary, including Hobbits.

It is natural enough to flee the spreading Shadow in my opinion, and likewise to build underground [following Thingol], for the protection of a people if and when necessary. And yes there is a Shadow in Mirkwood, but are Thranduil's subjects 'suffering'?

Thranduil's Elves are feasting and merrymaking when we meet them, for example. Most of them live and hunt in the woods [generally seems the life of a Silvan Elf to me], and Thranduil appears to have wine and other goods by trade as well.

The reader is given text to explain why Thranduil has 'shut himself up in Mirkwood', or what changed the Greenwood [Sauron, not an 'injured' King connected to his Realm], and so far I see no great reason to try to see things through the cloth of the Fisher King here.

If Pace or Jackson want to add this element that's one thing, but that's very different from drawing a compelling connection to Tolkien.

(This post was edited by Elthir on Sep 22 2013, 2:31am)

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    Wonderful, Marthe! cats16 Send a private message to cats16 Sep 16 2013, 3:51am
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    Thranduil and Mirkwood Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 16 2013, 3:14pm
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        Your questions pertaining to Thranduil Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 17 2013, 11:55am
            Thanks for the info sir SirDennisC Send a private message to SirDennisC Sep 18 2013, 12:16am
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