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If that turned out to be the case...

Salmacis81
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Sep 6 2013, 9:11pm


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...then were they not yet the invisible-when-unclad wraiths, but instead still visible men when they were buried in the "High Fells"? According to canon, the Nazgul had first appeared something like 5 or 6 thousand years prior to Bilbo's quest. If the Witch-king and the other Nazgul were alive and still in their "man" forms up until the realm of Angmar fell, that would mean that the 9 kings did not actually take the form of Nazgul until they broke out of their tombs during the time of Bilbo's quest. While not necessarily a contradiction in terms of the movie history, it's a major departure from book lore. Sorry if this is confusing (I'm beginning to confuse myself TBH), but I'm just trying to wrap my head around what exactly the history of the Nazgul is in film-lore.

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High Fells: cutted out again?! NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 4 2013, 8:19am
    I am sure it will be in. Arannir Send a private message to Arannir Sep 4 2013, 8:49am
    No morro91 Send a private message to morro91 Sep 4 2013, 11:51am
    I think it will be the prologue Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 4 2013, 12:01pm
        hm NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 4 2013, 2:09pm
            It likely wasn't originally intended to be a flashback Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 4 2013, 7:15pm
        Cold Fells = High Fells Michelle Johnston Sep 4 2013, 4:01pm
            I don't thnik that anyone has changed the location Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 4 2013, 7:22pm
                Location of place and movie Michelle Johnston Sep 5 2013, 3:57am
                    I kinda', sorta' knew what you meant... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 5 2013, 3:11pm
                So basically Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 5 2013, 12:47pm
                    Too many assumptions? DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Sep 5 2013, 1:53pm
                        Explanation of the Nazgul Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 5 2013, 2:28pm
                            Not sure that they are visible just because Radagast sees them. He is, after all, A Wizard AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Sep 6 2013, 7:34am
                                I should add... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Sep 6 2013, 7:52am
                                    Mortal remains... DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Sep 6 2013, 8:12am
                                        True, i'd forgotten that... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Sep 6 2013, 9:11am
                                        If that turned out to be the case... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 6 2013, 9:11pm
                                Interesting theory... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 6 2013, 8:38pm
                        you're right NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 5 2013, 2:40pm
                        It's taken as read that these threads are speculative Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 5 2013, 3:26pm
                    No, Gandalf wouldn't have returned to Rivendell yet Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 5 2013, 4:00pm
                        timeline NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 5 2013, 4:08pm
                            It's a very long way Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 5 2013, 4:21pm
                                audience NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 5 2013, 4:29pm
                                    Probably true, Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 5 2013, 6:16pm
                            The High Fells has to take place before Goblin-town Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 5 2013, 7:44pm
                                well NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 5 2013, 8:30pm
                                    Yes, you have... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 5 2013, 8:43pm
                                        look NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 5 2013, 8:51pm
                                        Agree with this... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 5 2013, 8:55pm
                                            your last statement NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 5 2013, 8:59pm
                                                backtracking and timelines Cirashala Send a private message to Cirashala Sep 5 2013, 9:13pm
                                                Exactly... Salmacis81 Send a private message to Salmacis81 Sep 5 2013, 9:16pm
                                                    Yes, the Weta Chronicles... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Sep 5 2013, 9:50pm
                                                        Settled? Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Sep 6 2013, 12:57pm
    Where are the High Fells? Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 4 2013, 12:25pm
        Time for this video again... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Sep 4 2013, 2:34pm
            That guy cracks me up every time! // Voronwë_the_Faithful Send a private message to Voronwë_the_Faithful Sep 4 2013, 2:50pm
                +1 Michelle Johnston Sep 4 2013, 3:56pm
            Nodded off for a minute there. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 4 2013, 4:39pm
    It will be in but as a flashback sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Sep 4 2013, 4:10pm
        Oh, and I forgot to say Thanks for pointing me to the video. Bumblingidiot Send a private message to Bumblingidiot Sep 4 2013, 4:41pm
            Left off or in present time NoelGallagher Send a private message to NoelGallagher Sep 4 2013, 4:54pm
                I hope its not in the present time burgahobbit Send a private message to burgahobbit Sep 4 2013, 5:30pm
            There is also this thread from 5 months ago DwellerInDale Send a private message to DwellerInDale Sep 4 2013, 4:56pm
    its too important to cut out MouthofSauron Send a private message to MouthofSauron Sep 5 2013, 2:02am

 
 
 

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