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"Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?"


Aug 26 2013, 7:20pm

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1. Do you think this is why they have done this?

Yes, it does give distance and thus an air of mystery to the Elves.

Do you like the way they have done this?

My personal impression of Elves has always been more of manic-depressives off their meds than Vulcans on Xanex, but this works.

2. Look at the colours in each scene. Symbolically what do think is being conveyed here?

Afternoon of the Elves, and Night. of the Elves.

3. A question for costume lovers. What do you think of the costumes in this scene and how they help portray the characters thoughts and emotions?

I suppose this isn’t referring to the Chinese tradition of brides being married in red.

Elrond’s garb is monkish brown, showing a dissociation from the real world. (Shades of Radagast!) It’s only by the red of Arwen’s passion that he realizes the depth of her commitment, a commitment which he now must honor and support.

Of course red is also the courage of courage and sacrifice, which is reflected in Arwen’s choice.

4. i) What do you think of the music in this scene?


ii) A little bonus question. Do you prefer the OST version of the soundtrack (Twilight and Shadow) or the Complete Recordings version (The Grace of Undómiel)

It’s all good.

5. Any other thoughts or comments about this scene?

The area of the forging is reminiscent of Svartálfaheimr (the realm of the Dark Elves) where the Gleipnir, a fetter as fine as a silken ribbon, was forged. (Similar to hithlain aka “mist thread”.) The fetter was used to chain Fenrisúlfur, or the Fenris Wolf. The wolf bit off the god Tyr’s hand, similar to how the wolf Carcharoth bit off Beren’s hand. Beren’s love was Luthien, and Luthien’s beauty is relfected in Arwen, which leads us to Aragorn for whom Andúril, Flame of the West is being forged. Coincidence? I think not!

Once Gandalf dreamt he was a moth, a moth flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Gandalf. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakably Gandalf. But he didn't know if he was Gandalf who had dreamt he was a moth, or a moth dreaming he was Gandalf. Between Gandalf and a moth there must be some distinction! But really, there isn't, because he's actually Olórin dreaming he's both Gandalf *and* a moth!
-From Gandalfi: The Moth Dream

(This post was edited by Darkstone on Aug 26 2013, 7:22pm)

Subject User Time
SCOD: The choice of Arwen Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Aug 21 2013, 5:42pm
    Costumes Ardamírë Send a private message to Ardamírë Aug 21 2013, 9:04pm
    More Elves, so pretty... Werde Spinner Send a private message to Werde Spinner Aug 22 2013, 1:07am
    Love that scene! FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Send a private message to FaramirAndEowynMorningStar Aug 22 2013, 7:27pm
    "Or were you looking at the woman in the red dress?" Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 26 2013, 7:20pm


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