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"Ay, there's the wonder of the thing! Mithrandir's not there!!"


Aug 13 2013, 7:51pm

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"Ay, there's the wonder of the thing! Mithrandir's not there!!" [In reply to] Can't Post

“Mithrandir’s an Istari, he's very tall and thin;
You would know him if you saw him, for his eyes are sunken in.
His brow is deeply lined with thought, his head is highly domed;
His robe is dusty from neglect, his whiskers are uncombed.
He sways his head from side to side, with movements like a snake;
And when you think he's half asleep, he's always wide awake.”
(With apologies to T.S. Eliot.)

1) The first shot I just had to add in. What, if anything, does it tell us about Gandalf? Perhaps the fact that he is always wary/watchful?

I have absolutely no idea. Frankly it’s all so confusing. In the book, when they camped by the well in Moria Gandalf seemed asleep but actually he was awake. Later in Minas Tirith when Faramir reported to Denethor about Ithilien, Gandalf also seemed asleep but was actually awake. So what exactly does it mean to say Gandalf looked asleep? Does it mean that he seemed asleep asleep, like a regular person seems asleep with their eyes closed and all? Or does it mean that he seemed awake asleep, like here in Rohan, where he has his eyes open and looks awake but he’s actually asleep? So when Gandalf is awake he looks asleep because when he’s asleep he looks awake. But since when he’s awake he also looks awake, doesn’t he always look awake even when he’s asleep? So what the heck does Tolkien mean whenever he says Gandalf seemed to be asleep? On the other hand if.... (I better stop now. My head is beginning to hurt.)

2) Look at the second and third screencaps. Note Pippin's change of expression? What do you see on his face here? Realisation, surprise, guilt etc?

In the first it’s like the book, “looking like a greedy child stooping over a bowl of food”, but then he sees that there’s something wrong with the food.

3) Look at the fourth screencap. What effect does the presence of Sauron (if only partially), have upon each character?

I’m seeing more concern for Pippin from everybody. The bond of Fellowship is more powerful than the influence of Sauron.

Do you like the filmmakers idea to represent the Eye as something made entirely of flame?

Well, either that or a black man, but some people on the board don’t seem to be comfortable with the latter.

4) How well do you feel that this scene represented the scene in the book?

Pretty well, though I also like how it was represented in Star Wars, with Luke as Pippin, Ben Kenobi as Gandalf, and a rampaging sandperson as the palantir. (Whatever DID happen with that guy?)

Do you like/dislike this scene, and in either or both cases, why?

Like. It’s nice to see Gandalf’s tough love, all lividly angry and deeply concerned at the same time.

5) Any other thoughts/comments?

Once Gandalf dreamt he was a moth, a moth flitting and fluttering around, happy with himself and doing as he pleased. He didn't know he was Gandalf. Suddenly he woke up and there he was, solid and unmistakably Gandalf. But he didn't know if he was Gandalf who had dreamt he was a moth, or a moth dreaming he was Gandalf. Between Gandalf and a moth there must be some distinction! But really, there isn't, because he's actually Olórin dreaming he's both Gandalf *and* a moth!
-From Gandalfi: The Moth Dream

The audacious proposal stirred his heart. And the stirring became a song, and it mingled with the songs of Gil-galad and Celebrian, and with those of Feanor and Fingon. The song-weaving created a larger song, and then another, until suddenly it was as if a long forgotten memory woke and for one breathtaking moment the Music of the Ainur revealed itself in all glory. He opened his lips to sing and share this song. Then he realized that the others would not understand. Not even Mithrandir given his current state of mind. So he smiled and simply said "A diversion.”

(This post was edited by Darkstone on Aug 13 2013, 7:56pm)

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SCOD: "I just want to look at it." Radagast-Aiwendil Send a private message to Radagast-Aiwendil Aug 5 2013, 10:14am
    Do not meddle in the affairs of Wizards Silwen_Peredhil Send a private message to Silwen_Peredhil Aug 5 2013, 12:58pm
    Who is watching who? willowing Send a private message to willowing Aug 9 2013, 11:07am
    continuation of "Who is watching who" willowing Send a private message to willowing Aug 11 2013, 2:49am
    "Ay, there's the wonder of the thing! Mithrandir's not there!!" Darkstone Send a private message to Darkstone Aug 13 2013, 7:51pm


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