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The Styles of Two Archers

DwellerInDale
Rohan


Jul 17 2013, 7:34am

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Over on geekdad.com they have an interesting piece contrasting the archery styles of Legolas and Tauriel. Legolas uses a longbow, while Tauriel uses a reflex-deflex bow. Archery instructor Jim MacQuarrie explains that the longbow (which resembles today's English longbow) is better for accuracy, while Tauriel's bow resembles those used in Mongolia, and Hungary, and is more suited to speed and to shooting from horseback. The longbow would thus be a more natural weapon for a prince, while the reflex-deflex bow would be appropriate for the common warrior often in combat. From the DOS trailer, MacQuarrie gives Tauriel high marks for her archery style, although is a bit surprised that she can draw with two fingers (but hey, she's not human, right?). Good to know that the production team are paying attention to such subtle details.

In DOS, I've no doubt we'll see Tauriel fire arrows in rapid succession, like one every 2 seconds. For anyone who might thing that this is impossible or "over the top", check out the video on the same page here to see Iza Privezenceva fire her reflex-deflex bow-- even their hair color matches!

Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 17 2013, 9:23am

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And there was me thinking it was all just CG. [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks for sharing something real - and amazing.
Go Iza!Shocked


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jul 17 2013, 2:19pm

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The reflex-deflex bow does have more power than a standard short bow, I can't argue. I don't remember seeing anything that shows Luke Evans' form (as Bard) with a bow. I hope that Evans has gone out of his way to get it right.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Arandir
Gondor


Jul 17 2013, 4:02pm

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Thanks for the post! [In reply to] Can't Post

I've always been fascinated by the use of bows but I never knew this fact ... many thanks for pointing that out Smile

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Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 17 2013, 4:50pm

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Luke (Bard) was pointing his Bow... [In reply to] Can't Post

at the Dwarves Outdoors at the Peloius River.
Later he is on Set and Balin walks towards him and says
"You are from Laketown."
Both in the Latest Vlog.

Bomby


Skaan
Lorien


Jul 17 2013, 6:26pm

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There's also this picture [In reply to] Can't Post

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/...Clo/s1600/bard3.jpeg

I don't have much knowledge about bows, but that looks like a proper longbow to me.


Christine Golden
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Jul 17 2013, 7:27pm

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It's all in the details [In reply to] Can't Post

"Good to know that the production team are paying attention to such subtle details."

I have a BFA in technical theater, costume design, and ten years' worth of production experience. While some details are cohesive to the overall concept, many are disjointed and worse, just plain wrong. Compare the mediocre, jumbled mishmash of Howe/Maskrey's costumes with those of the brilliant Bob Buck and you may see what I mean.

Btw, considering Tolkien's general geographic comparisons of Europe, Africa, and Eurasia, why would an elf in Mirkwood own, let alone use, a bow whose origins were "enemy territories"?



DwellerInDale
Rohan


Jul 18 2013, 1:13am

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Details of the details [In reply to] Can't Post

Since this is a Discussion forum, criticism is welcome; but if you don't give any examples or other evidence relevant to such harsh criticism of Ann Maskrey / John Howe or such praise of The Brilliant Bob Buck, then it does sound like the "trolling" you mention in other threads. Either that, or you are Mrs. BB.

Examples of the "just plain wrong" would be helpful.


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While some details are cohesive to the overall concept, many are disjointed and worse, just plain wrong. Compare the mediocre, jumbled mishmash of Howe/Maskrey's costumes with those of the brilliant Bob Buck and you may see what I mean.


Don't mess with my favorite female elf.




Brethil
Half-elven


Jul 18 2013, 1:53am

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I think there are plenty of real-world and historical examples of cross cultural tech. // [In reply to] Can't Post


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Btw, considering Tolkien's general geographic comparisons of Europe, Africa, and Eurasia, why would an elf in Mirkwood own, let alone use, a bow whose origins were "enemy territories"?


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Bombadil
Half-elven


Jul 18 2013, 2:28am

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CG? Bomby explains [In reply to] Can't Post

Not a good idea to throw
your resume at these people...

Bomby has been in Show business for 45 years.

KT has written books on these Movies,

Others have written extensive Posts on Costumes!

Maybe you might want to explore the Archives
that have been listed here for 13 Years!

So... think a little more.
You Buddy, Bomby


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jul 18 2013, 2:51am

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Btw, considering Tolkien's general geographic comparisons of Europe, Africa, and Eurasia, why would an elf in Mirkwood own, let alone use, a bow whose origins were "enemy territories"?



This is Middle-earth, not historical Europe. How do we know that the Mirkwood Elves didn't invent the recurve bow and Easterlings didn't borrow the idea from them?

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


Yngwulff
Gondor


Jul 18 2013, 3:41am

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As a bowhunter I can tell you that even though a longer bow is generally more accurate, it can be problematic when shooting in thick brush. From JRRTs description of Mirkwood. it seemed thick to me.

I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.



Arandir
Gondor


Jul 18 2013, 6:29am

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Definitely a longbow according to this screenshot [In reply to] Can't Post


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Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Jul 18 2013, 12:55pm

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As a bowhunter I can tell you that even though a longer bow is generally more accurate, it can be problematic when shooting in thick brush. From JRRTs description of Mirkwood. it seemed thick to me.



That is a good reason as to why the Wood-elves might have developed a recurve-style bow. Elven eye-sight and dexterity might allow them to spot and fire at game that would be out of reach for Mannish hunters, making a shorter high-powered bow very desirable.

A respect for tradition would explain why Legolas, a Sindar Elf, might stick with a longbow.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring

(This post was edited by Otaku-sempai on Jul 18 2013, 12:57pm)


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Jul 19 2013, 11:13am

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John Howe? [In reply to] Can't Post

I've looked through "The Hobbit: AUJ Chronicles" where all costumes have been noted with the designer's initials, and all I could see of Howe's costume design were weapons and the accessories the individual dwarves carry, well-suited to the special talents, contributions, and style of each dwarf, I thought. Do you have other sources that list further contributions to costume?

Bob Buck is, indeed, an accomplished designer. "River Queen" costuming, his armour designs in LOTR, and his designs for the dwarves of Erebor in the prologue are all very fine. Thror and young Balin stand out especially, and his dwarf women were a delightful surprise.

Ann Maskry is credited in "Chronicles" for the final designs for the dwarves' first costumes. I find them sumptuous, intricately detailed and unique to each character, and there is a cohesiveness that says "these are all dwarves". They are shown to be of differing status and professions but are all very believably in dwarven attire. The elves of Rivendell are all identifiable as elves of a particular time period and place, slightly different to LOTR.

I find cohesiveness within each of the races of Maskry's Middle-earth, so we must agree to differ in our satisfaction with her designs. Another designer, of course, would have a different interpretation, but I was very firmly in the Middle-earth we first saw in Fellowship. Given that we had that previous interpretation, there really was not unlimited scope for re-invention.


Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Jul 22 2013, 1:24pm

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I'm sure Evans' performance will be great [In reply to] Can't Post

As Smaug's killer they will have to stress Bard's uncanny skill with that bow if the audience is to accept that nigh-impossible feat.

Plus, Evans is Welsh. One can only hope he's got the proper archer's poise and precision somewhere in his blood.

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951

 
 

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